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Offline Roch

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Re: Julie, Colin And Thoughts On Death
« Reply #45 on: December 17, 2021, 01:19:PM »

Perhaps you prefer to read character assassinations?

Not really.  I just struggle to comprehend why any discussion about any of Colin's flaws, is anything other than discussion.

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Re: Julie, Colin And Thoughts On Death
« Reply #46 on: December 17, 2021, 01:23:PM »
Unless of course it involves their poster boy!

I'm comfortable with JB having negative traits. I agree, some his alleged behaviour didn't do him any favours.

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Re: Julie, Colin And Thoughts On Death
« Reply #47 on: December 17, 2021, 01:26:PM »
Although I don't condone it I can understand 'supporters' taking issue with the relatives and Julie but I really struggle to understand Sheila and Colin?

I think the way you have phrased this belies a lack of understanding on your part regarding what supporters are saying. It's not about 'taking issue'.

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Re: Julie, Colin And Thoughts On Death
« Reply #48 on: December 17, 2021, 01:49:PM »
Not really.  I just struggle to comprehend why any discussion about any of Colin's flaws, is anything other than discussion.


Colin seems to have fully understood his own flaws. He even writes about them. No more need be said. For the most part, what's been said of him here has been a viperous, spiteful, venomous outpouring, probably libellous, by those who want to exonerate JB, whilst appearing to show empathy with Sheila by lessening her guilt in the crime they accuse her of committing.

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Re: Julie, Colin And Thoughts On Death
« Reply #49 on: December 17, 2021, 02:14:PM »

Colin seems to have fully understood his own flaws. He even writes about them. No more need be said. For the most part, what's been said of him here has been a viperous, spiteful, venomous outpouring, probably libellous, by those who want to exonerate JB, whilst appearing to show empathy with Sheila by lessening her guilt in the crime they accuse her of committing.
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See those words are exactly how you come across JB
You don’t know him
You have never spoken to him but deciding to follow the narrative of JB being a nasty character.
After a long time you decided to believe all the people who benefited from the JB conviction and you NOW choose to ignore all the people that liked JB

He was a young boy who went to public school with probably a cocky attitude that came about because of his school

There is not a single shred of evidence that shows he was capable of mass murder

God knows why you are here but you obviously have no social like

Go and rant on one of your other forums because you fail to dicuss the case in a rational way

Your posts are beyond boring
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: Julie, Colin And Thoughts On Death
« Reply #50 on: December 17, 2021, 02:21:PM »
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See those words are exactly how you come across JB
You don’t know him
You have never spoken to him but deciding to follow the narrative of JB being a nasty character.
After a long time you decided to believe all the people who benefited from the JB conviction and you NOW choose to ignore all the people that liked JB

He was a young boy who went to public school with probably a cocky attitude that came about because of his school

There is not a single shred of evidence that shows he was capable of mass murder

God knows why you are here but you obviously have no social like

Go and rant on one of your other forums because you fail to dicuss the case in a rational way

Your posts are beyond boring


And your ignorance beyond belief. As I previously said, you have a choice -you may not be able to do anything about your ignorance but you can choose not to read my post.

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Re: Julie, Colin And Thoughts On Death
« Reply #51 on: December 17, 2021, 04:28:PM »

And your ignorance beyond belief. As I previously said, you have a choice -you may not be able to do anything about your ignorance but you can choose not to read my post.

Someone has to put you in your place. I will not put up with you spamming the forum with lies and misconceptions

An absolute waste of space

Colin did his very best to deceive the public recently on national tv

The question is why

To shift any blame from himself

And to sell a book

He could have stayed silent considering how much his behaviour must have affected Sheila’s mental health

Clearly he must have been desperate for the cash

Just at the time a new application was being sent to the CCRC

Fact
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: Julie, Colin And Thoughts On Death
« Reply #52 on: December 17, 2021, 05:00:PM »
Someone has to put you in your place. I will not put up with you spamming the forum with lies and misconceptions

An absolute waste of space

Colin did his very best to deceive the public recently on national tv

The question is why

To shift any blame from himself

And to sell a book

He could have stayed silent considering how much his behaviour must have affected Sheila’s mental health

Clearly he must have been desperate for the cash

Just at the time a new application was being sent to the CCRC

Fact



And what do you propose to do about it? You'll need a brain to take me on. I've already told you DON'T READ MY POSTS, but perhaps you have to get someone to read them for you?

Just for the record, I'll lay odds on you having twisted every word Colin has ever said. Other than caring for the boys, there was no need for him to play any part in Sheila's life. They'd been apart and divorced, almost the the boys' life time, so whoever he was in a relationship with, he clearly can't be said to have been cheating on Sheila. He didn't kill Sheila. He didn't kill his boys. He didn't kill his EX in laws. YET, you lay the blame at his door, at which you perceived a convenient opening that you've used to tell vicious lies about him. Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and PROVE him to have been responsible for Sheila's mental illness.

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Re: Julie, Colin And Thoughts On Death
« Reply #53 on: December 17, 2021, 05:17:PM »
Colin did his very best to deceive the public recently on national tv

I don't think he is deceiving anyone in a malicious sense. I think he honestly believes what he saying. Probably due to a combination of emotional investment, a naive faith in the justice system and a lack of critical thinking.


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Re: Julie, Colin And Thoughts On Death
« Reply #54 on: December 17, 2021, 06:18:PM »


And what do you propose to do about it? You'll need a brain to take me on. I've already told you DON'T READ MY POSTS, but perhaps you have to get someone to read them for you?

Just for the record, I'll lay odds on you having twisted every word Colin has ever said. Other than caring for the boys, there was no need for him to play any part in Sheila's life. They'd been apart and divorced, almost the the boys' life time, so whoever he was in a relationship with, he clearly can't be said to have been cheating on Sheila. He didn't kill Sheila. He didn't kill his boys. He didn't kill his EX in laws. YET, you lay the blame at his door, at which you perceived a convenient opening that you've used to tell vicious lies about him. Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and PROVE him to have been responsible for Sheila's mental illness.


I don’t have to prove anything to you but I know the next documentary will obviously focus on the family and Colin tried to push the narrative about Sheila couldn’t have carried out the murders

I hope it has his televised interview where he said he was hoping to get back with Sheila at the time of the murders. He had better hope his girlfriend at the time doesn’t pop up.

Let’s hope the documentary also focus on his book his been flogging with edited letters from Jeremy.

He wants publicity let’s give it to him.

Your posts say everything about you by supporting a liar.

Why don’t you ask NGB if Sheila could murder the victims at point blank range

You won’t though will you
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: Julie, Colin And Thoughts On Death
« Reply #55 on: December 17, 2021, 06:47:PM »

I don’t have to prove anything to you but I know the next documentary will obviously focus on the family and Colin tried to push the narrative about Sheila couldn’t have carried out the murders

I hope it has his televised interview where he said he was hoping to get back with Sheila at the time of the murders. He had better hope his girlfriend at the time doesn’t pop up.

Let’s hope the documentary also focus on his book his been flogging with edited letters from Jeremy.

He wants publicity let’s give it to him.

Your posts say everything about you by supporting a liar.

Why don’t you ask NGB if Sheila could murder the victims at point blank range

You won’t though will you



Mmm. I seem to recall you making that claim about every docu that's been released. Your praise of Louis Theroux, prior to the ailing of his docu, was stratospheric, but once again, it wasn't what you'd believed it was going to be. I have no doubt that any following will be the same. There have been so many now, I imagine the viewing public to be tiring of them.

You appear to have a very childish take on what he said regarding the possibility of them 'getting back together'. Whilst I either didn't see the interview, or, unlike you, heard it differently, I very much doubt that he claimed, categorically, that he intended for them to get back together. Why would he? Other than having once enjoyed a varied sex-life, they'd become like red rag to a bull. Why ion earth would he go back to that?

It's hardly surprising that there were edited letters from JB in his second book. Anyone interested can read them, in their entirety, in the original.

I'm very happy to hear Neil's opinion, but as he didn't witness it happening, it's hypothetic. In fact, I've read most of what he has to say. Most of it seems to sit around technicalities. I'm sure you're aware that IF he was released on such, it's very different from him being released because he's innocent.

Perhaps you should stop taking words at face value, and putting your own interpretation on them.

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Re: Julie, Colin And Thoughts On Death
« Reply #56 on: December 17, 2021, 06:49:PM »
I don't think he is deceiving anyone in a malicious sense. I think he honestly believes what he saying. Probably due to a combination of emotional investment, a naive faith in the justice system and a lack of critical thinking.

Cambridge Cutie should have her eyes clamped open and be made to watch a video of the above statement played over and over again, like the famous Malcolm McDowell scene in 'Clockwork Orange'.

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Re: Julie, Colin And Thoughts On Death
« Reply #57 on: December 18, 2021, 09:42:PM »
No.  Why would they?  It isn't possible to discern anything from a person's facial expression in such circumstances.

You can read the full PM report in the library here.
 
https://www.rcpath.org/discover-pathology/what-is-pathology/information-about-post-mortems-for-friends-and-relatives-/the-post-mortem-report-.html


I do not want to go into details but my own personal experience tells me otherwise, so I respectively disagree.




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Re: Julie, Colin And Thoughts On Death
« Reply #58 on: December 18, 2021, 10:28:PM »

I do not want to go into details but my own personal experience tells me otherwise, so I respectively disagree.





My experiences too Rob.

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Re: Julie, Colin And Thoughts On Death
« Reply #59 on: December 18, 2021, 11:55:PM »
I have never seen a dead body close up. But I guess you could in some cases you can tell if they died piecefully or not.