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Offline Roch

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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #300 on: December 03, 2021, 05:55:PM »
I'd like to see how and where those 3 adults first died because I don't believe that they'd been found in the positions that we're led to believe.

Tatchell has claimed that there is photographic evidence that all bodies were moved.  His lack of detail makes the claim ambiguous and open to interpretation. It is therefore not possible to know whether he is referring to something very dodgy or something more benign that happened during photography. Given the CT now claim that Sheila's first shot was her fatal shot and that 30 shots were fired that night, it would appear that previous sketches of how the incident panned out are obsolete.

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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #301 on: December 03, 2021, 06:02:PM »
Give it about week and Adam will paste the same questions saying nobody has yet answered them.

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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #302 on: December 03, 2021, 06:09:PM »
I'd like to see how and where those 3 adults first died because I don't believe that they'd been found in the positions that we're led to believe.

I agree Lookout, I think you posted a photograph of June a while back that looks very strange?

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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #303 on: December 03, 2021, 06:33:PM »
Tatchell has claimed that there is photographic evidence that all bodies were moved.  His lack of detail makes the claim ambiguous and open to interpretation. It is therefore not possible to know whether he is referring to something very dodgy or something more benign that happened during photography. Given the CT now claim that Sheila's first shot was her fatal shot and that 30 shots were fired that night, it would appear that previous sketches of how the incident panned out are obsolete.

Tatchell is primarily being fed the CT narrative that I have already explained is incorrect and easily dismantled.

I suspect Tatchell is of the view that Jeremy's bisexuality and Robert Boutflour's homophobia played a role in Robert Bouflours efforts to get a conviction. And that is a valid view to hold, it may well be true.

I also suspect Tatchell is primarily focused on raising awareness rather that studying case material, hence I an not going to consider him an authority on the Bamber case.

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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #304 on: December 03, 2021, 07:02:PM »
Tatchell is primarily being fed the CT narrative that I have already explained is incorrect and easily dismantled.

I suspect Tatchell is of the view that Jeremy's bisexuality and Robert Boutflour's homophobia played a role in Robert Bouflours efforts to get a conviction. And that is a valid view to hold, it may well be true.

I also suspect Tatchell is primarily focused on raising awareness rather that studying case material, hence I an not going to consider him an authority on the Bamber case.

Tatchell's podcast is worth a listen. He describes the non-disclosure issues eloquently. There is something of 'Robert Powell' about him.
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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #305 on: December 03, 2021, 07:25:PM »
Tatchell has claimed that there is photographic evidence that all bodies were moved.  His lack of detail makes the claim ambiguous and open to interpretation. It is therefore not possible to know whether he is referring to something very dodgy or something more benign that happened during photography. Given the CT now claim that Sheila's first shot was her fatal shot and that 30 shots were fired that night, it would appear that previous sketches of how the incident panned out are obsolete.






Because nobody not even the police were present when this tragedy happened it does leave the case wide open to misinterpretations. For instance Sheila could have been standing when she shot herself, sad as it sounds it's a simpler method than lying down as she was tall and would have had no trouble holding the rifle up to her neck.

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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #306 on: December 03, 2021, 07:28:PM »





Because nobody not even the police were present when this tragedy happened it does leave the case wide open to misinterpretations. For instance Sheila could have been standing when she shot herself, sad as it sounds it's a simpler method than lying down as she was tall and would have had no trouble holding the rifle up to her neck.




With her being upright, it would account for the blood drops ( downwards ) on her arm which couldn't have got there if she'd been lying down.

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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #307 on: December 03, 2021, 09:27:PM »



With her being upright, it would account for the blood drops ( downwards ) on her arm which couldn't have got there if she'd been lying down.

According to David and Peter Vanezis, those marks on her wrist are where the blood stops. Therefore they can't have been dripped on to her arm.
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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #308 on: December 03, 2021, 09:55:PM »
According to David and Peter Vanezis, those marks on her wrist are where the blood stops. Therefore they can't have been dripped on to her arm.





Liquid doesn't stop running whether you're dead or alive and that includes blood.

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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #309 on: December 03, 2021, 10:14:PM »
Give it about week and Adam will paste the same questions saying nobody has yet answered them.

You certainly have never answered. Unlike Rob.

Rob is very naive & thinks AE wpuld need no information prior to succeeding in the frame of the century. I'll dismiss each of his responses now.
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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #310 on: December 03, 2021, 10:16:PM »
She just had to believe Sheila could not commit the crime so it had to be JB, she thought she was helping justice prevail.

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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #311 on: December 03, 2021, 10:18:PM »
No need to know this, if Sheila’s blood was in the silencer then it had to be JB who committed the crime.

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AE needed to know if Sheila could shoot herself with the silencer attached.

If she could, the frame atrempt fails. 
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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #312 on: December 03, 2021, 10:20:PM »
This is immaterial, as said above if Sheila’s blood is in the silencer this is enough to convict JB.

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Ditto previous post.
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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #313 on: December 03, 2021, 10:21:PM »
Yes several ways, even if her arms were not long enough though this is not proven I believe? I have seen video's of a girl the same height as Sheila able to reach the trigger with the silencer on.

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Videos 20 years later would not help AE.
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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #314 on: December 03, 2021, 10:23:PM »
No need to know  anything about back spatter, a layman in the street would assume that a very close range / contact shot is highly lightly to result in traces of blood etc. getting into the barrel.

-------,,Disagree. AE would also need to know if the rifle Bamber used was powerful enough to produce back spatter.
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