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Offline killingeve

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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #450 on: December 06, 2021, 10:56:AM »

We are here to discuss a potential miscarriage of justice not to take instructions from the likes of you

What action would you suggest Lookout takes if she's unhappy with the legal system?  Making a post on an internet forum, read by a handul, doesn't strike me as being very effective!

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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #451 on: December 06, 2021, 10:57:AM »
M.P's indeed. They're too busy with their nose's in the troughs to bother about the public.

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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #452 on: December 06, 2021, 10:57:AM »
When all else fails, eh ?  ::)

Talking of 'fails' any news on Bamber's latest submission?

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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #453 on: December 06, 2021, 10:58:AM »
It might be boring but its kept Bamber behind bars for over 36 years and it will continue to do so.


We will see and the slam dunk will be the American documentary makers looking at the case right now.

The can give the main players in the case the game they crave when no stone is left unturned

Cannot wait. Be exited
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #454 on: December 06, 2021, 10:58:AM »
M.P's indeed. They're too busy with their nose's in the troughs to bother about the public.

Ever considered making a case for all out anarchy?

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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #455 on: December 06, 2021, 10:59:AM »




When all else fails, eh ?  ::)


I know CC with the same old narrative. Yawn
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #456 on: December 06, 2021, 11:00:AM »
Ever considered making a case for all out anarchy?


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Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #457 on: December 06, 2021, 11:02:AM »

We will see and the slam dunk will be the American documentary makers looking at the case right now.

The can give the main players in the case the game they crave when no stone is left unturned

Cannot wait. Be exited

Take a long time from looking to airing.  Doesn't sound like you're hopeful about Bamber's latest submission and imminent referral to appeal courts with an acquittal all but a formality?

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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #458 on: December 06, 2021, 11:18:AM »
Forget David's diluted period blood theory because I can assure you 100% that conventional serological analysis of blood, used in this case, requires good quality dried blood of a certain quantity.

Source?

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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #459 on: December 06, 2021, 11:27:AM »
Ever considered making a case for all out anarchy?






Why not ? We badly need something to sort the wheat from the chaff.

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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #460 on: December 06, 2021, 11:43:AM »
Source?

I've provided a source previously.

Conventional serological analysis

Analysis of the proteins, enzymes, and antigens present in the blood. These substances are more susceptible to degradation than DNA and this type of testing usually requires a "large" sample (quarter size) in good condition for optimal results. This type of testing is rarely statistically individualizing.


https://www.crime-scene-investigator.net/blood.html

In addition to the above I exchanged emails some time ago with George Schiro the forensic scientist who wrote the article.

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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #461 on: December 06, 2021, 12:01:PM »
I've provided a source previously.

Conventional serological analysis

Analysis of the proteins, enzymes, and antigens present in the blood. These substances are more susceptible to degradation than DNA and this type of testing usually requires a "large" sample (quarter size) in good condition for optimal results. This type of testing is rarely statistically individualizing.


https://www.crime-scene-investigator.net/blood.html

In addition to the above I exchanged emails some time ago with George Schiro the forensic scientist who wrote the article.

Hi Holly
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #462 on: December 06, 2021, 12:06:PM »

I know CC with the same old narrative. Yawn

You recycle your narrative with every post!  Its your tagline as follows -   

"Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 cheque frauds, robbery, and drug deailing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before the trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000"

All the above was put before the jury or defence decided not to adjudicate on at trial so no longer relevant. 

1. Cheque fraud

344. When the judge dealt with this aspect of the matter in his summing up (Transcript page 19C), he said:

"It is the defendant's case, of course, that Julie Mugford's evidence in this case is fabricated, and that she is a brazen, blatant liar, so Mr Rivlin introduced the matter of her previous cheque offences in order to suggest to you then that it was shown that she has been dishonest in the past and so that you can bear in mind that part of her character when assessing whether to believe her not on the evidence she has given in this trial. That is the degree to which that evidence is relevant. Of course, the fact that a person has committed some offence, or has at some time lied in the past, in no way proves that they can never again tell the truth and you might think particularly so, on oath in a murder trial. It does not prove that at all. It is merely there for you to have in mind when you come to weigh up her evidence.

2. Caravan Park Robbery

"I would like to tell you about the burglary I committed with Jeremy."

338. At that point she was cautioned and told that she did not have to say anything but she went on to give the police details of that burglary. Having dealt with that matter, she then revealed that she had also committed the cheque fraud with Susan Battersby.

340. All these facts were clearly known to the defence and they were in a position to make such use of them as they saw fit. The first document that Mr Turner submits is significant and which had not been disclosed to the defence is a police action form (Action no. 148) dated 13 September 1985.340. All these facts were clearly known to the defence and they were in a position to make such use of them as they saw fit. The first document that Mr Turner submits is significant and which had not been disclosed to the defence is a police action form (Action no. 148) dated 13 September 1985.


3. Press deal

363. The final limb of ground 5 relates to the fact that Julie Mugford sold her story to the newspapers. As we made clear earlier in this judgment one ground of appeal raised before the court at the original appeal and rejected by the court as unarguable related to this same topic.

364. Mr Turner explained to the court that there was now evidence available to show that when Julie Mugford indicated through the prosecution that she had not sold her story to the press at the time of trial that this was simply untrue.

365. We can deal with this aspect of the case shortly because by the conclusion of the evidence, Mr Turner acknowledged that he was unable to establish on that this was so.

366. He, therefore, did not address us in his closing speech to argue that there was any significant difference between the ground that had earlier failed and the present ground and accordingly it must fail as it properly did before.
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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #463 on: December 06, 2021, 12:10:PM »
The drug dealing seems to have been played down probably because it was a quid pro quo with both equally involved. 

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Re: Sequence of events surrounding the silencer.
« Reply #464 on: December 06, 2021, 12:39:PM »