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« Reply #45 on: November 25, 2021, 03:27:PM »
Yes that's what I meant. It puzzles me regarding Sheila's shots for each scenario, ie

Killer / Suicide / Accidental discharge by police.

Accidental discharge is a complete no, no.  Sheila was considered dead by first respondents evidenced by at least one gunshot wound at 7.30 am.  The police surgeon confirmed this at 8.30 am.  DC Bird took photos around 10.30 am.  This was the first time Sheila had been interfered with in terms of DI Cook lifting her arm.  The pathological evidence puts the difference between the two shots at a few minutes max. 

The pathologist has always maintained he was unable to say whether Sheila was murdered or took her own life. 

Prof Knight said a few seconds for blood to emit from gunshot wounds but the time difference between the two shots was put at a max of a few minutues.

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« Reply #46 on: November 25, 2021, 03:32:PM »
Accidental discharge is a complete no, no.  Sheila was considered dead by first respondents evidenced by at least one gunshot wound at 7.30 am.  The police surgeon confirmed this at 8.30 am.  DC Bird took photos around 10.30 am.  This was the first time Sheila had been interfered with in terms of DI Cook lifting her arm.  The pathological evidence puts the difference between the two shots at a few minutes max. 

The pathologist has always maintained he was unable to say whether Sheila was murdered or took her own life. 

Prof Knight said a few seconds for blood to emit from gunshot wounds but the time difference between the two shots was put at a max of a few minutues.

I don't think you understand what I mean. In any event, it's possible for police to accidentally discharge in to a corpse.

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« Reply #47 on: November 25, 2021, 03:32:PM »
It is a possibility that two shots can fire off if Sheila still had her finger on the trigger from the first shot as it was a semi-automatic.

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« Reply #48 on: November 25, 2021, 03:41:PM »
The wounds were not immediately fatal but would have been if others hadn't supervened.  I don't believe it had anything to do with the power of the rifle.  If the victims received head shots or shots to vital organs then they might well have been immediately fatal.  Bamber couldn't inflict shots directed at the head or heart as he needed the scene to look amateurish and frenzied.

My earlier post was saying there is very unlikely to be time for Nevill's blood to drip on the bed & bedroom carpet.

Due to a combination of the rifle & Nevill's instant movements up & out of the bed/bedroom.

Together with Prof Knights testimony.
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« Reply #49 on: November 25, 2021, 03:42:PM »
Accidental discharge is a complete no, no.  Sheila was considered dead by first respondents evidenced by at least one gunshot wound at 7.30 am.  The police surgeon confirmed this at 8.30 am.  DC Bird took photos around 10.30 am.  This was the first time Sheila had been interfered with in terms of DI Cook lifting her arm.  The pathological evidence puts the difference between the two shots at a few minutes max. 

The pathologist has always maintained he was unable to say whether Sheila was murdered or took her own life. 

Prof Knight said a few seconds for blood to emit from gunshot wounds but the time difference between the two shots was put at a max of a few minutues.

The bit about Cook is also, clearly, obviously incorrect. You know this already.

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« Reply #50 on: November 25, 2021, 09:54:PM »
Very low powered compared to a shot gun.

To get out of bed - seconds & prior to Nevill's third shot. To leave the bedroom, - a few seconds again.

As said, any carpet blood drops from Nevill, would be negated by June's/Sheila's. Prior to the carpet burning.

Adam could you tell me which were the bullet wounds Nevil received while in bed, I am struggling with the angles?

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« Reply #51 on: November 25, 2021, 10:41:PM »
I don't think you understand what I mean. In any event, it's possible for police to accidentally discharge in to a corpse.
No it wasn't possible based on the pathological evidence. 

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« Reply #52 on: November 25, 2021, 10:42:PM »
It is a possibility that two shots can fire off if Sheila still had her finger on the trigger from the first shot as it was a semi-automatic.

Yes.

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« Reply #53 on: November 25, 2021, 10:48:PM »
My earlier post was saying there is very unlikely to be time for Nevill's blood to drip on the bed & bedroom carpet.

Due to a combination of the rifle & Nevill's instant movements up & out of the bed/bedroom.

Together with Prof Knights testimony.

Blood spill v movement?  You would need to look at other aspects such as casings, distance of shots, bullet paths in flight (trajectories) and wound tracks.  Waste of time with the muppet supporters.

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« Reply #54 on: November 25, 2021, 10:53:PM »
The bit about Cook is also, clearly, obviously incorrect. You know this already.

Please elucidate?

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« Reply #55 on: November 25, 2021, 11:56:PM »
Please elucidate?

It's like going round in circles.

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« Reply #56 on: November 26, 2021, 09:57:AM »
Adam could you tell me which were the bullet wounds Nevil received while in bed, I am struggling with the angles?

His two face shots were from inches away. This was while he was still in bed.

The two torso shots were while he was standing up.

The 4 head shots were in the kitchen.
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« Reply #57 on: November 26, 2021, 10:12:AM »
It's like going round in circles.

You seem to think because you perceive something in certain way others do too.  I honestly do not know what you are referring to re Cook.  Please spell it out and then I can respond accordingly. 

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« Reply #58 on: November 26, 2021, 01:48:PM »
What's the objective of the above?

I scanned the list and picked up on the thread re the rifle with silencer not fitting in the gun cupboard.  Bamber never claimed this.  You're wrong about this so what else is wrong?

The objective is set out in the post itself.

Whether or not Jeremy himself made the claim about the gun cupboard (I can't be bothered to check now), the observations in that post stand! 

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« Reply #59 on: November 26, 2021, 09:33:PM »
His two face shots were from inches away. This was while he was still in bed.

The two torso shots were while he was standing up.

The 4 head shots were in the kitchen.

So where was JB standing when Nevil was shot in the bedroom Adam?