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The Case For Reasonable Doubt: the posts of QCChevalier
« on: November 24, 2021, 09:04:PM »
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1. THREADS PUTTING THE REASONABLE DOUBT CASE

A point-by-point summary of the case for Reasonable Doubt

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10373.msg484384.html#msg484384

Grounds For Reasonable Doubt

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10627.0.html

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10982.msg507802.html#msg507802

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10974.msg508597.html#msg508597

Some Reasons I Think He Did It & Grounds For Reasonable Doubt

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10319.0.html

Applying Occam's Razor

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10339.0.html

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10986.msg508158.html#msg508158

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10986.msg508169.html#msg508169

What Happened In The Kitchen?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10302.0.html

Why did Nevill ring Jeremy and what did he say?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8231.msg487527.html#msg487527

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10872.msg501783.html#msg501783

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10872.msg501700.html#msg501700

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10872.msg501696.html#msg501696

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10872.msg501695.html#msg501695

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10872.msg501688.html#msg501688

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10872.msg501703.html#msg501703

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10872.msg501707.html#msg501707

The phone calls

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10872.msg501739.html#msg501739

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10991.msg508823.html#msg508823

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10991.msg508912.html#msg508912

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11011.msg509821.html#msg509821

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11011.msg509833.html#msg509833

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11011.msg509863.html#msg509863

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11011.msg509870.html#msg509870

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11011.msg509922.html#msg509922

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11011.msg509939.html#msg509939

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11011.msg509943.html#msg509943

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11011.msg509913.html#msg509913

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11011.msg509949.html#msg509949

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11011.msg509951.html#msg509951

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11011.msg509958.html#msg509958

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11011.msg509969.html#msg509969

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11011.msg509981.html#msg509981

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11011.msg509985.html#msg509985

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11011.msg509989.html#msg509989

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11011.msg509991.html#msg509991

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11011.msg509997.html#msg509997

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11028.msg511533.html#msg511533

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11028.msg511569.html#msg511569

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11028.msg511622.html#msg511622

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11028.msg511628.html#msg511628

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11028.msg511807.html#msg511807

Problems with a Jeremy scenario

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9026.msg490783.html#msg490783

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10386.msg484895.html#msg484895

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10386.msg484898.html#msg484898

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10386.msg484906.html#msg484906

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10386.msg484913.html#msg484913

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10386.msg484914.html#msg484914

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10386.msg484944.html#msg484944

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10386.msg484972.html#msg484972

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10392.msg485034.html#msg485034

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10392.msg485036.html#msg485036

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10392.msg485038.html#msg485038

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8231.msg487523.html#msg487523

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10510.msg487956.html#msg487956

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg491638.html#msg491638

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10614.msg491786.html#msg491786

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10722.msg494293.html#msg494293

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10722.msg494300.html#msg494300

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10663.msg494318.html#msg494318

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10881.msg502907.html#msg502907

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10881.msg502914.html#msg502914

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10881.msg502929.html#msg502929

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10881.msg503026.html#msg503026

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10965.msg507214.html#msg507214

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11013.msg510327.html#msg510327

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11013.msg510606.html#msg510606

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11013.msg510613.html#msg510613

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11013.msg510617.html#msg510617

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11013.msg510620.html#msg510620

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11013.msg510630.html#msg510630

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11013.msg510632.html#msg510632

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11013.msg510637.html#msg510637

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11023.msg510645.html#msg510645

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11023.msg510648.html#msg510648

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11023.msg510650.html#msg510650

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11023.msg510663.html#msg510663

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11026.msg511003.html#msg511003

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11026.msg511026.html#msg511026

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11026.msg511031.html#msg511031

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11030.msg511171.html#msg511171

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11026.msg511172.html#msg511172

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11026.msg511213.html#msg511213

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11026.msg511238.html#msg511238

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11026.msg511231.html#msg511231

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10293.msg480171.html#msg480171

Sheila froze?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10974.msg507385.html#msg507385

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10974.msg507420.html#msg507420

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10974.msg507426.html#msg507426

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10974.msg507501.html#msg507501

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10974.msg507506.html#msg507506

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10974.msg507510.html#msg507510

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10974.msg507533.html#msg507533

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10974.msg507627.html#msg507627

Whose blood was in the silencer?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10534.msg488941.html#msg488941

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10534.msg488945.html#msg488945

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10534.msg489002.html#msg489002

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10609.msg491248.html#msg491248

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg491782.html#msg491782

The position of Sheila's body

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10609.msg491177.html#msg491177

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10609.msg491119.html#msg491119

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10609.msg491160.html#msg491160

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10609.msg491202.html#msg491202

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10609.msg491217.html#msg491217

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10609.msg491241.html#msg491241

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10646.msg494094.html#msg494094

The possibility of undetected injuries to Sheila

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10506.msg487811.html#msg487811

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10506.msg487815.html#msg487815

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10506.msg487817.html#msg487817

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10506.msg487824.html#msg487824

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg490126.html#msg490126

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg490149.html#msg490149

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10160.msg492643.html#msg492643

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10160.msg492652.html#msg492652

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10160.msg492656.html#msg492656

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10652.msg493048.html#msg493048

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10652.msg493067.html#msg493067

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10160.msg493992.html#msg493992

Was June shot in bed?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10386.msg484969.html#msg484969

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10386.msg484977.html#msg484977

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10386.msg484987.html#msg484987

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10392.msg485029.html#msg485029

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10392.msg485031.html#msg485031

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10386.msg485082.html#msg485082

Things that don't make sense

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10761.msg497183.html#msg497183

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10761.msg497190.html#msg497190

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10761.msg497209.html#msg497209

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10761.msg497220.html#msg497220

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10761.msg497262.html#msg497262

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10761.msg497384.html#msg497384

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10788.msg497413.html#msg497413

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10789.msg497447.html#msg497447

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10787.msg497522.html#msg497522

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg495503.html#msg495503

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg495505.html#msg495505

Movement at the window

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10639.msg493998.html#msg493998

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10713.msg494177.html#msg494177

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10881.msg502814.html#msg502814

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10881.msg502817.html#msg502817

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10950.msg506951.html#msg506951

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11000.msg509564.html#msg509564

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11022.msg510592.html#msg510592

Then They Ran Away

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10700.msg495731.html#msg495731

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10950.msg507056.html#msg507056

Who delayed? The police or Jeremy?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10952.msg505997.html#msg505997

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10952.msg506032.html#msg506032

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10952.msg506038.html#msg506038

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10952.msg506044.html#msg506044

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10952.msg506055.html#msg506055

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10884.msg502870.html#msg502870

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10884.msg502879.html#msg502879

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10884.msg502891.html#msg502891

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10881.msg502724.html#msg502724

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10881.msg502738.html#msg502738

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10881.msg502746.html#msg502746

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10881.msg502752.html#msg502752

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10884.msg502778.html#msg502778

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10884.msg502797.html#msg502797

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10881.msg502800.html#msg502800

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10884.msg502804.html#msg502804

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10884.msg502811.html#msg502811

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10884.msg502812.html#msg502812

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10881.msg503250.html#msg503250

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10881.msg503253.html#msg503253

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11046.msg512342.html#msg512342

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11046.msg512375.html#msg512375

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11046.msg512393.html#msg512393

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11046.msg512425.html#msg512425

How Did Jeremy Move To And From The Farmhouse? Some Thoughts & Problems...

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10761.msg497271.html#msg497271

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10348.0.html

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10348.msg483356.html#msg483356

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10348.msg483360.html#msg483360

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10348.msg483364.html#msg483364

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10348.msg483367.html#msg483367

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10348.msg483372.html#msg483372

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10348.msg483375.html#msg483375

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10348.msg483378.html#msg483378

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10348.msg483769.html#msg483769

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10348.msg483824.html#msg483824

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10348.msg483828.html#msg483828

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10348.msg483853.html#msg483853

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg483085.html#msg483085

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10346.msg483116.html#msg483116

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10346.msg483156.html#msg483156

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10346.msg483312.html#msg483312

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10346.msg483325.html#msg483325

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10346.msg483335.html#msg483335

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10965.msg506883.html#msg506883

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10965.msg506892.html#msg506892

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10965.msg506902.html#msg506902

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11039.msg512332.html#msg512332

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11039.msg512336.html#msg512336

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11039.msg512339.html#msg512339

Problems With The Scratch Marks

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10306.0.html

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10305.msg480845.html#msg480845

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10305.msg480847.html#msg480847

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg483085.html#msg483085

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg483123.html#msg483123

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg483152.html#msg483152

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg483160.html#msg483160

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg483279.html#msg483279

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg483280.html#msg483280

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg483282.html#msg483282

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg483289.html#msg483289

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg483295.html#msg483295

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg483301.html#msg483301

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg483352.html#msg483352

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg483383.html#msg483383

If Jeremy Bamber is guilty, did he use the silencer in the massacre?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg483658.html#msg483658

The silencer

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10304.0.html

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg489488.html#msg489488

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg489494.html#msg489494

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9026.msg490811.html#msg490811

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10308.0.html

The fingerprint evidence

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10406.0.html

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10382.msg485317.html#msg485317

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10382.msg485319.html#msg485319

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10382.msg485349.html#msg485349

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10382.msg485861.html#msg485861

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10382.msg485866.html#msg485866

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10382.msg485871.html#msg485871

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10382.msg485875.html#msg485875

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10382.msg485897.html#msg485897

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10382.msg485948.html#msg485948

Police Handling Of the Bamber Arsenal

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10292.0.html

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg492775.html#msg492775

The Silenced Rifle Did Not Fit Inside The Gun Cupboard

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10382.0.html

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11031.msg511092.html#msg511092

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11031.msg511135.html#msg511135

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11031.msg511148.html#msg511148

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11031.msg511155.html#msg511155

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11032.msg511157.html#msg511157

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11031.msg511159.html#msg511159

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11031.msg511162.html#msg511162

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11031.msg514232.html#msg514232

If Jeremy did it

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10510.msg487946.html#msg487946

Sheila's movements [scroll down the thread for more posts]

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10289.msg480128.html#msg480128

The evidence of Robert Boutflour, Jnr.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10513.msg489160.html#msg489160

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg489287.html#msg489287

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg489292.html#msg489292

At least two silencers were seized and examined

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10591.msg490666.html#msg490666

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10591.msg490676.html#msg490676

The burn marks on Nevill's back

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11038.msg512303.html#msg512303

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11038.msg512350.html#msg512350

Dr. Craig

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11007.msg509669.html#msg509669

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11007.msg509677.html#msg509677

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11007.msg509681.html#msg509681

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11007.msg509683.html#msg509683

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11007.msg509687.html#msg509687

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11007.msg509687.html#msg509687

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11007.msg509724.html#msg509724

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11007.msg509724.html#msg509724

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11007.msg509759.html#msg509759

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11007.msg509791.html#msg509791

2. SCENARIOS

Sheila scenario [scroll down the thread for more posts]

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10289.msg480128.html#msg480128

A further comment on my Sheila scenario

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10337.msg482584.html#msg482584

Developing a Sheila scenario

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10872.msg501692.html#msg501692

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10872.msg501690.html#msg501690

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10872.msg501679.html#msg501679

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10404.msg485392.html#msg485392

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10872.msg501684.html#msg501684

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11013.msg510824.html#msg510824

General problems with a Sheila scenario

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10382.msg484712.html#msg484712

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10386.msg484945.html#msg484945

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg490059.html#msg490059

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10697.msg493954.html#msg493954

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg501459.html#msg501459

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg501461.html#msg501461

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10881.msg502501.html#msg502501

A Jeremy Scenario

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10975.0.html

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11013.msg510330.html#msg510330

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11013.msg510331.html#msg510331

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11013.msg510339.html#msg510339

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11013.msg510349.html#msg510349

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11013.msg510386.html#msg510386

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11013.msg510414.html#msg510414

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11013.msg510419.html#msg510419

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11013.msg510424.html#msg510424

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10386.msg484953.html#msg484953

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10375.msg484456.html#msg484456

Problems with a Jeremy and Sheila scenario

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10276.msg484709.html#msg484709

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10404.msg485402.html#msg485402

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10510.msg488007.html#msg488007

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10510.msg488008.html#msg488008

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10510.msg488015.html#msg488015

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg490663.html#msg490663

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10339.msg482547.html#msg482547

3. DISCUSSION OF BALLISTICS THEORIES

How many shots were fired?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10973.msg508162.html#msg508162

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10975.msg508377.html#msg508377

Interior Ballistic Markings

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10520.0.html

The fragmented bullet theory

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg491367.html#msg491367

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg491369.html#msg491369

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg491427.html#msg491427

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg491530.html#msg491530

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg491537.html#msg491537

Response to Bubo Bubo re: the examination of fragmented bullets

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10671.msg493110.html#msg493110

Response to Bubo Bubo re: theory that PV20 was swopped

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10645.msg494060.html#msg494060

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10645.msg494067.html#msg494067

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10645.msg494076.html#msg494076

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10645.msg494078.html#msg494078

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10645.msg494083.html#msg494083

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10645.msg494084.html#msg494084

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10645.msg494090.html#msg494090

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10645.msg494107.html#msg494107

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10645.msg494140.html#msg494140

4. DEBUNKING VARIOUS CLAIMS & THEORIES FROM THE PRO-GUILT CAMP

General debunking of typical pro-guilt arguments

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10998.msg509177.html#msg509177

The claim that for Jeremy not to be guilty, everybody else had to be lying

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10545.msg489652.html#msg489652

The claim that Jeremy drove slowly to the farmhouse

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10658.msg492891.html#msg492891

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10658.msg492902.html#msg492902

The claim that Nevill was shot in the main bedroom

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10384.msg484730.html#msg484730

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10384.msg484738.html#msg484738

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10386.msg484884.html#msg484884

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10386.msg484895.html#msg484895

The claim that the recorded position of the cartridge casings and spent bullets should be relied on

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10386.msg484872.html#msg484872

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10386.msg484882.html#msg484882

General claims that Sheila could not have committed the massacre

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10792.msg497798.html#msg497798

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10792.msg497794.html#msg497794

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10792.msg497806.html#msg497806

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10792.msg497810.html#msg497810

The claim that Sheila had no experience with guns

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10337.msg482725.html#msg482725

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10337.msg482730.html#msg482730

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10337.msg482744.html#msg482744

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10337.msg482753.html#msg482753

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10337.msg482756.html#msg482756

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10337.msg482769.html#msg482769

The claim that Jeremy lied to the police about Sheila's acquaintance with guns

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10337.msg482759.html#msg482759

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10337.msg482764.html#msg482764

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10337.msg482766.html#msg482766

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10337.msg482767.html#msg482767

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10337.msg482781.html#msg482781

The claim that Sheila could not have overcome Nevill

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10313.msg493532.html#msg493532

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10313.msg493529.html#msg493529

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10313.msg493536.html#msg493536

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10337.msg482772.html#msg482772

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10337.msg482782.html#msg482782

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10375.msg484446.html#msg484446

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10375.msg484497.html#msg484497

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10375.msg484501.html#msg484501

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10375.msg484504.html#msg484504

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10375.msg484507.html#msg484507

The claim that Sheila was too uncoordinated that night to carry out the massacre

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10337.msg482776.html#msg482776

The claim that Sheila was sedated

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10313.msg481696.html#msg481696

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10313.msg481698.html#msg481698

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10384.msg484740.html#msg484740

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10946.msg505873.html#msg505873

The claim that Jeremy moved the phones around prior to or during the massacre

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10373.msg484333.html#msg484333

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10373.msg484353.html#msg484353

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10373.msg484355.html#msg484355

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10373.msg484358.html#msg484358

The claim that Jeremy behaved oddly in the aftermath

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg495757.html#msg495757

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=10539.msg495782#msg495782

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10341.msg482930.html#msg482930

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10341.msg482963.html#msg482963

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10321.msg481906.html#msg481906

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10341.msg482956.html#msg482956

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10341.msg482969.html#msg482969

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10341.msg482977.html#msg482977

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10341.msg482983.html#msg482983

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10513.msg488198.html#msg488198

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10513.msg488203.html#msg488203

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10513.msg488213.html#msg488213

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10513.msg488223.html#msg488223

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10513.msg488240.html#msg488240

The claim that Sheila could not have moved around the house after the first self-inflicted shot

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10384.msg484730.html#msg484730

The claim that Julie provided information to the police that only the killer could have known

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10609.msg491262.html#msg491262

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10617.msg491390.html#msg491390

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10618.msg491394.html#msg491394

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10618.msg491397.html#msg491397

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10618.msg491399.html#msg491399

The claim that Julie Mugford acted only out of conscience

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg489584.html#msg489584

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg489599.html#msg489599

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg489607.html#msg489607

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg483602.html#msg483602

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10351.msg483672.html#msg483672

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10351.msg483679.html#msg483679

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10351.msg483684.html#msg483684

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10351.msg483686.html#msg483686

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10351.msg483687.html#msg483687

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg483482.html#msg483482

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg483485.html#msg483485

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg483510.html#msg483510

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg483517.html#msg483517

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg483518.html#msg483518

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg483532.html#msg483532

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg483536.html#msg483536

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg483538.html#msg483538

The claim Jeremy killed his family for a larger or quicker inheritance

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10777.msg496840.html#msg496840

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10777.msg496916.html#msg496916

The claim that Jeremy is/was a psychopath [a discussion with Caroline, links to key posts provided]

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10360.msg484263.html#msg484263

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10360.msg484217.html#msg484217

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10360.msg484190.html#msg484190

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10360.msg483972.html#msg483972

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10360.msg484155.html#msg484155

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10360.msg484225.html#msg484225

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=10360.msg484231#msg484231

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10360.msg484247.html#msg484247

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10360.msg484263.html#msg484263

'Touching A Murderer': deconstructing Roger Wilkes' dubious anecdote and Jane's claim that a psychiatrist diagnosed Jeremy as a psychopath

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10360.msg484094.html#msg484094

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10360.msg484102.html#msg484102

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10360.msg484109.html#msg484109

Caroline's claim that Jeremy knew the contents of Nevill's wallet

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg483754.html#msg483754

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8228.msg484531.html#msg484531

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8228.msg484536.html#msg484536

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg483756.html#msg483756

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg483758.html#msg483758

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg483767.html#msg483767

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg483771.html#msg483771

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg483774.html#msg483774

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8228.msg484538.html#msg484538

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8228.msg484550.html#msg484550

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8228.msg484552.html#msg484552

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8228.msg484569.html#msg484569

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8228.msg484578.html#msg484578

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8228.msg484581.html#msg484581

Caroline's Last Trailer theory

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5565.msg506762.html#msg506762

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5565.msg506769.html#msg506769

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5565.msg506771.html#msg506771

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5565.msg506779.html#msg506779

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5565.msg506781.html#msg506781

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5565.msg506783.html#msg506783

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5565.msg506792.html#msg506792

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5565.msg506819.html#msg506819

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10965.msg506908.html#msg506908

The claim that Jeremy Bamber stole diamonds from Mabel Speakman's safe

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10590.msg490933.html#msg490933

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10590.msg490934.html#msg490934

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10590.msg490937.html#msg490937

The claim that Jeremy had a deal with a newspaper, so it was OK for Julie to have a similar deal with a newspaper

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10954.msg506091.html#msg506091

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10954.msg506093.html#msg506093

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10954.msg506100.html#msg506100

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10954.msg506108.html#msg506108

5. THE PSYCHOPATHOLOGY OF SHEILA CAFFELL

The words of Dr. John Bradley, defence psychiatrist, R v Bamber [1986]

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10337.msg482790.html#msg482790

Factors in Sheila's psychopathology

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10159.msg487843.html#msg487843

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10159.msg487848.html#msg487848

The effect of absentee parents

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3456.msg501234.html#msg501234

Was Sheila sedated?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10290.msg480112.html#msg480112

Toxicology

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10974.msg507773.html#msg507773

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10974.msg507784.html#msg507784

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10974.msg507961.html#msg507961

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10974.msg508016.html#msg508016

A motive for Sheila

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10404.msg485376.html#msg485376

6. WAS THERE A 999 CALL?

The problem

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10881.msg502542.html#msg502542

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10881.msg502546.html#msg502546

Nevill's Voice, Jeremy's Voice

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10298.0.html

Why Nevill Could Not Have Made A 999 Call: A Logical Case

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10300.0.html

The police logs

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10662.msg494142.html#msg494142

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10663.msg494259.html#msg494259

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10663.msg494284.html#msg494284

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg495753.html#msg495753

7. COLIN CAFFELL

Comments on Colin Caffell's personality and character

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10337.msg482630.html#msg482630

Questions about Colin Caffell and his culpability

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10342.msg482933.html#msg482933

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10339.msg482582.html#msg482582

Tom, Ben And Lorraine Making Light Of The White House Farm Murders

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=10934.msg505713#msg505713

Did Colin Caffell Contribute To Sheila's Schizophrenia?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10336.0.html

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10339.msg482589.html#msg482589

Julie, Colin And Thoughts On Death

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10928.0.html

8. DISCLOSURE ISSUES

The Disclosure Issue

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10900.0.html

Disclosure at trial

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10610.msg491165.html#msg491165

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10610.msg491168.html#msg491168

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10610.msg491176.html#msg491176

Post about PII

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10409.msg485791.html#msg485791

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10766.msg496337.html#msg496337

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10766.msg496340.html#msg496340

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10766.msg496341.html#msg496341

Photograph of D. I. Ronald Cook. Is He At The Crime Scene?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10309.0.html

Trial Transcript from Examination of Dr. Peter Vanezis

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10289.0.html

Scope of Non-Documentary Evidence

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10299.0.html

Is there a crime scene video?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2178.msg483957.html#msg483957

Should Jeremy Bamber make disclosures?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg501277.html#msg501277

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg501311.html#msg501311

9. WAS JEREMY BAMBER FRAMED?

Laplace's principle

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg489293.html#msg489293

Weighing up the plausibility of a conspiracy

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10761.msg497330.html#msg497330

Industrial Frame Department

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10891.0.html

Reply against objections to the theory that the silencer was planted evidence

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10904.msg504273.html#msg504273

The evidence needed

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10641.msg492365.html#msg492365

Applying Vital Interests theory from international relations analogously to true crime

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10304.msg480739.html#msg480739

The importance of research

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10304.msg480744.html#msg480744

A letter from Robert Boutflour, Jnr.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10973.msg507600.html#msg507600

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10973.msg507608.html#msg507608

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10973.msg507786.html#msg507786

Did the family have a sufficient financial motive?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg490167.html#msg490167

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg490171.html#msg490171

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg490180.html#msg490180

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg490183.html#msg490183

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg490186.html#msg490186

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10590.msg490665.html#msg490665

Company governance after the trial

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg501418.html#msg501418

Sheila's blood

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10392.msg485060.html#msg485060

Was the silencer planted?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10878.msg502376.html#msg502376

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg490122.html#msg490122

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg491782.html#msg491782

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg491791.html#msg491791

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg491794.html#msg491794

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg491810.html#msg491810

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg491821.html#msg491821

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg491822.html#msg491822

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg491824.html#msg491824

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10641.msg492365.html#msg492365

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10904.msg504273.html#msg504273

The Blue Socks Mystery: A Look At Bubo Bubo's Theory

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10882.0.html

The plausibility of framing Jeremy as an innocent man

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg490105.html#msg490105

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg491817.html#msg491817

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10160.msg492323.html#msg492323

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10160.msg492328.html#msg492328

The theory that Sheila was shot by the police

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10513.msg488509.html#msg488509

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10513.msg488643.html#msg488643

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10513.msg488676.html#msg488676

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10513.msg488680.html#msg488680

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10513.msg488722.html#msg488722

10. NEVILL'S CULPABILITY IN THE INCIDENT

The relevance and significance of the issue

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485523.html#msg485523

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485524.html#msg485524

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485542.html#msg485542

General comment on moral culpability

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10276.msg484771.html#msg484771

Was Nevill a responsible gun owner?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485492.html#msg485492

The evidence of PC Dryland

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg484612.html#msg484612

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485446.html#msg485446

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485466.html#msg485466

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485470.html#msg485470

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485473.html#msg485473

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485485.html#msg485485

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485489.html#msg485489

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485497.html#msg485497

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485500.html#msg485500

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485501.html#msg485501

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485527.html#msg485527

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485530.html#msg485530

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485537.html#msg485537

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485541.html#msg485541

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485569.html#msg485569

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485571.html#msg485571

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485701.html#msg485701

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485702.html#msg485702

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485709.html#msg485709

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485787.html#msg485787

The storage of the Bamber and Pargeter arsenals in the farmhouse

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485471.html#msg485471

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485487.html#msg485487

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485494.html#msg485494

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485505.html#msg485505

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485509.html#msg485509

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485511.html#msg485511

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485515.html#msg485515

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485517.html#msg485517

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485570.html#msg485570

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485576.html#msg485576

The significance of Robert Boutflour, Jnr.'s evidence

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485449.html#msg485449

The Firearms Certificate For The Murder Weapon And Related Statements

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10420.0.html

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485578.html#msg485578

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485586.html#msg485586

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg485829.html#msg485829

11. THREADS AND POSTS CONCERNING JULIE MUGFORD

The case against Julie Mugford

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg495735.html#msg495735

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10964.msg507518.html#msg507518

The Refutation Problem

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg495510.html#msg495510

The defence dilemma

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10394.msg485158.html#msg485158

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10408.msg485707.html#msg485707

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10877.msg502007.html#msg502007

The elephant in the room

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg489612.html#msg489612

Jeremy's contradictory actions

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10672.msg493092.html#msg493092

The words of Viscount Buckmaster

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10672.msg493108.html#msg493108

The possibilities in summary

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10685.msg493629.html#msg493629

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10982.msg507923.html#msg507923

Did we see Julie Mugford's diary?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10885.msg503126.html#msg503126

Can Julie Mugford be relied on?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10958.msg506444.html#msg506444

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10958.msg506447.html#msg506447

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10958.msg506449.html#msg506449

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10958.msg506452.html#msg506452

Outline of a possible scenario in which Julie lies

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10982.msg507923.html#msg507923

What really happened?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10685.msg493696.html#msg493696

The inevitability of Julie Mugford as an accomplice - assuming Jeremy Bamber is guilty

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10513.msg488483.html#msg488483

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10337.msg482948.html#msg482948

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10337.msg482955.html#msg482955

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10337.msg482959.html#msg482959

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10513.msg488510.html#msg488510

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10919.msg505204.html#msg505204

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10919.msg505223.html#msg505223

Joint enterprise law and Julie

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10755.msg496164.html#msg496164

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10755.msg496166.html#msg496166

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10755.msg496171.html#msg496171

Why didn't Julie mention the silencer?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg482131.html#msg482131

Comments on Jeremy and Julie's relationship, and Julie's motivations

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg482067.html#msg482067

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg482084.html#msg482084

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg482100.html#msg482100

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg482111.html#msg482111

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg482124.html#msg482124

Was there a threat to Julie Mugford's teaching career?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10352.msg483641.html#msg483641

Comment on Julie and June

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg482104.html#msg482104

Julie's diary

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10333.msg482221.html#msg482221

The role of Liz Rimington

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10604.msg491005.html#msg491005

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg494950.html#msg494950

The Hyper-Reality Of Julie Mugford

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10943.0.html

A series of posts on the behaviour and culpability of Julie Mugford

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10919.msg505201.html#msg505201

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10919.msg505204.html#msg505204

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10919.msg505221.html#msg505221

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10919.msg505223.html#msg505223

A Problem With Julie Mugford

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10351.0.html

Who told the police? [reply to Roch]

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10604.msg491005.html#msg491005

Did Julie Mugford Receive A Police Caution?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10294.0.html

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10513.msg488477.html#msg488477

An Alternative Theory Regarding Julie Mugford

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10296.0.html

Reply to JackieD:

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10325.msg482984.html#msg482984

Was Julie Mugford Manipulative?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10601.0.html

Was Julie involved? Issues with the phone calls

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10294.msg480244.html#msg480244

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10294.msg480251.html#msg480251

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10294.msg480252.html#msg480252

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10294.msg480253.html#msg480253

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10294.msg480257.html#msg480257

Julie Mugford and the News of the World

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10408.msg485895.html#msg485895

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10685.msg493695.html#msg493695

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10772.msg496666.html#msg496666

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10772.msg496819.html#msg496819

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10772.msg496830.html#msg496830

Julie Mugford and the court

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10877.msg501959.html#msg501959

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10874.msg501985.html#msg501985

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10874.msg501990.html#msg501990

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10874.msg501993.html#msg501993

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10874.msg501994.html#msg501994

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10877.msg501999.html#msg501999

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10513.msg488467.html#msg488467

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10513.msg488477.html#msg488477

Julie, Colin And Thoughts On Death

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10928.0.html

Making excuses for Julie Mugford

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10919.msg505221.html#msg505221

12. THE PSYCHOLOGY AND MOTIVATIONS OF JEREMY BAMBER

Jeremy's intellect

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11011.msg509873.html#msg509873

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11011.msg509884.html#msg509884

Jeremy's character

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg489566.html#msg489566

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg489572.html#msg489572

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.msg489582.html#msg489582

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10403.msg489520.html#msg489520

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic

Offline Roch

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Re: The Case For Reasonable Doubt: the posts of QCChevalier
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2021, 10:46:PM »
That post must have took some doing. Certainly a fiddly enterprise.




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Re: The Case For Reasonable Doubt: the posts of QCChevalier
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2021, 11:42:PM »
It certainly contains all the information needed to make a start on a much needed honest documentary
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: The Case For Reasonable Doubt: the posts of QCChevalier
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2021, 12:59:AM »
Basically grounds for 'reasonable doubt' are all in the threads QC has created. Which he has kindly spent hours getting together in one thread for our benefit. What a guy.

If only trials could last 35 years. The jury would be so numb they would all aquit.

Any guilters on the forum are just trolling & spammers. 
« Last Edit: November 25, 2021, 01:04:AM by Adam »
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: The Case For Reasonable Doubt: the posts of QCChevalier
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2021, 01:09:AM »
Basically grounds for 'reasonable doubt' are all in the threads QC has created. Which he has kindly spent hours getting together in one thread for our benefit. What a guy.

If only trials could last 35 years. The jury would be so numb they would all aquit.

Any guilters on the forum are just trolling & spammers.

Somebody is very insecure.

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Re: The Case For Reasonable Doubt: the posts of QCChevalier
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2021, 08:32:AM »
That post must have took some doing. Certainly a fiddly enterprise.

Most of which is completely irrelevant to the case 36 years on. 

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Re: The Case For Reasonable Doubt: the posts of QCChevalier
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2021, 08:41:AM »
I have collected together links to threads I have started on the Forum, putting them in order of priority.  Key posts from threads started by others have also been added ad hoc and more will be added at a later date, when I have time.

I do explore the pro-guilt case in some posts, but overall my contribution to the Forum is to make the case for 'Not Guilty due to reasonable doubt', as that is my working conclusion about the case.

For those who sneer at the Reasonable Doubt position or argue that it is amoral, I quote these words of my own (taken from a response to Roch in the thread 'Some Reasons I Think He Did It & Grounds For Reasonable Doubt', linked further down):

I stand by the words of Sir Frederick Lawrence, Q.C., from his closing speech to the jury in R v Adams.  These words should be commended to every jury in England:

"Justice is of paramount consideration here, and the only way in which this can be done is for you to judge the matter on what you have heard in this court and in this court only.

What you read in the papers, what you hear in the train, what you hear in the cafés and restaurants, what your friends and relations come and tell you; rumour, gossip, all the rest of it, may be so wrong.

The possibility of guilt is not enough, suspicion is not enough, probability is not enough, likelihood is not. A criminal matter is not a question of balancing probabilities and deciding in favour of a probability.

If the accusation is not proved beyond reasonable doubt against the man accused in the dock, then by law he is entitled to be acquitted, because that is the way our rules work.

It is no concession to given him the benefit of the doubt. He is entitled by law to a verdict of not guilty.
"

I finally offer you the words of John Mortimer's Rumpole: his speech in defence of the English attitude to law and what he calls the Golden Thread of criminal justice, the burden of proof:

INDEX OF THREADS AND POSTS:

1. THREADS PUTTING THE REASONABLE DOUBT CASE

Elevator Pitch [Campaign Team take note!]

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10360.msg483838.html#msg483838

Brief Thoughts On The Case [note: my first substantial post to the Forum]

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10290.0.html

Grounds For Reasonable Doubt

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10627.0.html

Some Reasons I Think He Did It & Grounds For Reasonable Doubt

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10319.0.html

Applying Occam's Razor

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10339.0.html

What Happened In The Kitchen?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10302.0.html

How Did Jeremy Move To And From The Farmhouse? Some Thoughts & Problems...

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10348.0.html

Summary Of Problems With The Scratch Marks

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10306.0.html

The Baffling Mystery Of The Blood In The Silencer

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10304.0.html

Why Weren't There More Fingerprints On The Rifle?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10406.0.html

The Sticky Silencer

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10308.0.html

Police Handling Of the Bamber Arsenal

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10292.0.html

The Silenced Rifle Did Not Fit Inside The Gun Cupboard

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10382.0.html

Jeremy's Legal Representation At Trial: Some Brief Thoughts

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10362.0.html

2. DISCUSSION OF BALLISTICS THEORIES

Interior Ballistic Markings

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10520.0.html

Response to Bubo Bubo re: the examination of fragmented bullets

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10671.msg493110.html#msg493110

Response to Bubo Bubo re: theory that PV20 was swopped [multiple responses - scroll down the thread]

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10645.msg494060.html#msg494060

3. DID NEVILL DIAL 999?

Nevill's Voice, Jeremy's Voice

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10298.0.html

Why Nevill Could Not Have Made A 999 Call: A Logical Case

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10300.0.html

4. COLLIN CAFFELL

Did Colin Caffell Contribute To Sheila's Schizophrenia?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10336.0.html

5. DISCLOSURE ISSUES

Photograph of D. I. Ronald Cook. Is He At The Crime Scene?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10309.0.html

Trial Transcript from Examination of Dr. Peter Vanezis

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10289.0.html

Scope of Non-Documentary Evidence

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10299.0.html

6. WAS JEREMY FRAMED?

Applying Vital Interests theory from international relations analogously to true crime

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10304.msg480739.html#msg480739

The importance of research

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10304.msg480744.html#msg480744

The Blue Socks Mystery: A Look At Bubo Bubo's Theory

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10882.0.html

Industrial Frame Department

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10891.0.html

7. NEVILL'S CULPABILITY IN THE INCIDENT

Posts on the question of Nevill's culpability [multiple posts - continue to scroll through thread]

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9129.msg484612.html#msg484612

The Firearms Certificate For The Murder Weapon And Related Statements

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10420.0.html

8. CRITIQUE OF POLYGRAPHOLOGY (I.E. 'LIE DETECTOR TESTS')

Reply to JackieD:

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10325.msg481958.html#msg481958

9. THREADS AND POSTS CONCERNING JULIE MUGFORD

A Problem With Julie Mugford

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10351.0.html

Who told the police? [reply to Roch]

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10604.msg491005.html#msg491005

Did Julie Mugford Receive A Police Caution?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10294.0.html

An Alternative Theory Regarding Julie Mugford

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10296.0.html

Reply to JackieD:

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10325.msg482984.html#msg482984

Was Julie Mugford Manipulative?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10601.0.html

Rod Stewart – Tonight's The Night (Gonna Be Alright)

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10320.0.html

10. THE PSYCHOLOGY AND MOTIVATIONS OF JEREMY BAMBER

Is/Was Jeremy Bamber A Predator?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10763.0.html

A Photograph of Nevill

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10312.0.html

Jeremy is not a psychopath [a discussion with Caroline, links to key posts provided]

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10360.msg484263.html#msg484263

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10360.msg484217.html#msg484217

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10360.msg484190.html#msg484190

'Touching A Murderer': deconstructing Roger Wilkes' dubious anecdote and Jane's claim that a psychiatrist diagnosed Jeremy as a psychopath

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10360.msg484094.html#msg484094

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10360.msg484102.html#msg484102

Question For Mike [about Jeremy's cell]

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10786.0.html

Comparing the Criminal Psychology of the McCanns, Jeremy Bamber & Jimmy Savile

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10602.0.html

11. GENERAL ISSUES

Where Was The Gun Cupboard?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10301.0.html

12. MEDIA

The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series - Season 1

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10539.0.html

The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series - Season 2

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10866.0.html

Yvonne Hartley, Lockdown Log: Why I believe Jeremy Bamber is Innocent

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10321.0.html

Jeremy Bamber In His Own Words

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10766.0.html

Podcasts and media about Julie Mugford

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10767.0.html

Podcasts and media on the case - general

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10798.0.html

A thread for Shaun Attwood podcasts on the Jeremy Bamber case

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10751.0.html

A Podcast On The White House Farm Murders

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10356.0.html

13. IN MEMORIAM THREADS

In Memoriam: 35th. anniversary (2020)

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10322.0.html

On The 36th. Anniversary: For the Victims

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10734.0.html

A rebuttal to Steve_uk's attack on the 35th. anniversary thread

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10602.msg490948.html#msg490948

14. GENERAL INTEREST

Closing Speech of Sir Frederick Geoffrey Lawrence, Q.C. in R v Adams

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10311.0.html

Opinion on Louis Theroux

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10761.msg496067.html#msg496067

Essex Police Virtual Museum Tour

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10419.0.html

The City of London and Magna Carta - Anthony Arlidge QC

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10318.0.html

15. FORUM PERSONALITIES AND JOKE/BANTER THREADS

Rumpole

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10423.0.html

Classic Campion

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10310.0.html

Why Adam Trolls This Forum

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10633.0.html

Adam's response to the above:

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10895.0.html

What's the objective of the above?

I scanned the list and picked up on the thread re the rifle with silencer not fitting in the gun cupboard.  Bamber never claimed this.  You're wrong about this so what else is wrong? 
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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2021, 08:45:AM »
Most of which is completely irrelevant to the case 36 years on.
Its quite comical when you read it, that’s just his 4% wait while he reveals his 96% he gives a whacking great list about reasonable doubt, but still holds a 96% view he’s guilty.

i). Julie Mugford's evidence cannot be considered reliable because the account she gave of the killings is wrong.  It could be that Jeremy is guilty and gave her this account as a way of discrediting her, but we can only deal with the evidence we have.  You also have ask why Jeremy would tell her anything.  It simply doesn't make sense.  Furthermore, large parts of Mugford's behaviour make no rational sense at all.  I don't necessarily doubt that Jeremy and Julie had certain conversations, but the bottom line for me is that it is just as plausible that Jeremy was joking with her as it is that he was being serious.

(ii). I believe Julie Mugford misled the court about her dealings with a tabloid newspaper.  I simply cannot believe she had not entered into a contract, oral or written, prior to giving evidence.

(iii). The jury were also clearly misled on Julie Mugford's criminal record, and although this was a minor point, I believe it was significant and I think the police and prosecution acted intentionally to mislead the court in this respect.

(iv). Sheila was shot at very different angles, which is apparent when you triangulate it.  On the face of it, this establishes Jeremy's guilt, due to the belief that Jeremy adjusted the rifle after realising Sheila was not dead after the first shot.  But on further reflection you have to ask how, if Jeremy is guilty, this is consistent with the pathologist's evidence.  Dr. Vanezis says Sheila fell back after the second shot.  That can't be true if Jeremy did it.  Mr Ismail's evidence, which is inconsistent with Dr Vanezis', does not assist on this point and is wrong anyway.

(v). The lack of post-mortem rigidity (rigor mortis) in Sheila's body, as confirmed in the witness statement of Ron Cook, who attended the body and moved Sheila's arm.

(vi). The apparent lack of lividity (livor mortis) in Sheila's body, as confirmed by the crime scene photographs.

(vii). Jeremy must have gone to and from the farmhouse on foot.  For a number of reasons, I find it doubtful he could have accomplished this in the time frame assumed.  By push bike or car was too risky for somebody who supposedly planned the act, because he could have run into somebody or easily been seen.

(viii). There is none of Nevill's blood in the bedroom.  I think this is one of the biggest problems for the prosecution.  It means that the incident sequence/choreography is thrown all over the place unless you either ignore the lack of Nevill's blood in that position or you switch around the position of the spent cartridges.  Otherwise, it makes more sense if Sheila is the killer and the phone call that Jeremy claims he received is consistent with a Sheila choreography.  For Jeremy to be the killer, he would have had to shoot Nevill on the main stairs, but that stairway is steep and narrow and it just doesn't seem likely to me. 

(ix). There is also the question of where Sheila was shot by Jeremy and when and how he managed to subdue her without incurring injuries or leaving Sheila with obvious injuries.  The prosecution explain this by trying to say that Sheila was sedated, but we have no evidence that she was sedated.  It's also not explained why Sheila would not react if, as the prosecution claim and rest on, a mayhemic and chaotic assault was taking place in the house only yards from where she was sleeping.  I don't accept that Jeremy, June and Nevill (if he was upstairs) would have agreed to be silent or extra quiet just so as not to wake up Sheila.

(x). The blood and DNA evidence remains inconclusive:

(a). It has never been established that Sheila's blood was found in the silencer.  There is even a possibility is was not human blood at all. 

(b). The jury at trial were misdirected by the judge on the blood evidence.

(c). DNA testing was carried out on the silencer in the 1990s, but the DNA samples were not blood-based, thus the findings cannot be considered probative.  Remember that these people lived at this house, or in Sheila's case, stayed there quite often, and the silencer could have been left around, which means there was a possibility of innocent contamination.  In any case, the findings were scientifically inconclusive.

(xi). I believe at least two silencers were examined by the FSS and recorded as bearing two sets of incriminating evidence. 

(xii). I do not believe the scratch marks on the underside of the mantelpiece of the aga oven could have been made by the silencer while it was attached to the rifle.

(xiii). The rifle pull-through test was completely unscientific and unreliable.  The rifle should have been subject to either chemical testing or been dismantled by machinists.  But if we accept Fletcher's findings at face value, then we have to believe either that the blood in the silencer has defied the laws of physics or there is some physical argument rooted in tension dynamics that explains the lack of blood in the rifle.

(xiv). The chain of custody of the silencer was completely unsatisfactory.  First, the police failed to find and/or record and remove the silencer immediately at the scene, despite (they claimed) a thorough search.  Then there was a failure to isolate the exhibit itself, and the exhibit was tampered with, and potentially valuable forensic evidence was lost.  The officer who took the evidence away was inebriated.

(xv). The distribution of blood in the silencer is consistent with contamination.  The relatives had the means, motive and opportunity to contaminate the silencer.  That, I stress, is not to say they did contaminate the silencer and I do not make that allegation - nor do I need to, as we only need doubt.

(xvi). The fingerprint evidence on the rifle, collected and recorded by Ron Cook, is more consistent with Sheila as the killer.  The lack of prints, with only two or three found, means that somebody wiped the rifle.  The person who wiped the rifle was the killer.  Jeremy had no motive to wipe the rifle, as it was effectively his rifle anyway, so any prints found could not incriminate him.  Sheila did have a motive to wipe the rifle, if she had just used it to kill her twins and parents, as she would not want to use it on herself if it had their blood on and/or she may have ritualistically cleaned it.

(xvii). Jeremy's behaviour after the incident is often cited as a further reason to suspect him, but these same people also want us to believe Jeremy coldly planned the whole thing.  Would a cold-blooded mass murderer conduct himself as Jeremy did?  Furthermore, a lot of the behaviours that are seen as suspicious could be interpreted the opposite way.  Jeremy was obviously acting at the funeral, but the funeral was being broadcast on the TV in front of millions.  What was he supposed to do?  Jeremy started hurriedly selling the valuable contents of the farmhouse.  Certainly this could be considered tactless and insensitive, but somebody had to attend to the estate and selling the contents is the obvious thing to do and would the expected course of action of an innocent person.  A guilty person might have been more cautious.

(xviii). Jeremy, who is supposed to have planned it all out, answered police questions freely and openly.  Wouldn't a cold-blooded inheritance killer who had just committed mass murder have been a bit more reticent and cautious?  It should be stressed that there is a right to silence and an innocent person could well remain silent under such circumstances (indeed, that is normally the advice received from lawyers), but Jeremy was taking a big risk as a guilty man answering police questions and giving away all that information.  He had already given witness statements.  Why not just ask the police to refer back to those?

(xix). In my view, the inheritance motive falls down, mainly to do with the legal and practical complexities of the estate.  Jeremy was not a lawyer, but as a farmer's son, and having regular conversations with Nevill, he would have been aware of a lot of these issues.  I appreciate that a guilty Jeremy would have had in mind getting his hands on family money, but it was not a simple matter of killing his family and then receiving loads of ready cash.  He must have known this.

(xx). The police destroyed a lot of evidence immediately at the scene and then later in the mid-1990s, important evidence was destroyed.

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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2021, 08:51:AM »
Its quite comical when you read it, that’s just his 4% wait while he reveals his 96% he gives a whacking great list about reasonable doubt, but still holds a 96% view he’s guilty.

Who the fook cares? 

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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2021, 09:00:AM »
Who the fook cares?
Well no one really, but I’ve just got rid of my Manager (sacked) so my team is playing a different system now 👍

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« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2021, 09:02:AM »
It certainly contains all the information needed to make a start on a much needed honest documentary


I think the public may have become sated by the number of documentaries/crime programmes which have  given air-time to the Bamber case. Only the genuinely interested will watch seriously. It may be a case of preaching to the converted.

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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2021, 09:13:AM »
It certainly contains all the information needed to make a start on a much needed honest documentary

If you want to overturn Bamber's conviction you need FRESH evidence or legal argument capable of impressing 3 learned appeal court judges, none of whom give a flying fig about documentaires or the court of public opinion.   

What's you definition of an "honest documentary"?  Please bear in mind libel law.

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« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2021, 09:19:AM »
If you want to overturn Bamber's conviction you need FRESH evidence or legal argument capable of impressing 3 learned appeal court judges, none of whom give a flying fig about documentaires or the court of public opinion.   

What's you definition of an "honest documentary"?  Please bear in mind libel law.

If libel law was a problem, we'd know about it already. They wouldn't dare because they know what would come out.

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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2021, 09:24:AM »
If libel law was a problem, we'd know about it already. They wouldn't dare because they know what would come out.

Sorry matey you need to spell it out. 

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« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2021, 09:30:AM »
Its quite comical when you read it, that’s just his 4% wait while he reveals his 96% he gives a whacking great list about reasonable doubt, but still holds a 96% view he’s guilty.

i). Julie Mugford's evidence cannot be considered reliable because the account she gave of the killings is wrong.  It could be that Jeremy is guilty and gave her this account as a way of discrediting her, but we can only deal with the evidence we have.  You also have ask why Jeremy would tell her anything.  It simply doesn't make sense.  Furthermore, large parts of Mugford's behaviour make no rational sense at all.  I don't necessarily doubt that Jeremy and Julie had certain conversations, but the bottom line for me is that it is just as plausible that Jeremy was joking with her as it is that he was being serious.

(ii). I believe Julie Mugford misled the court about her dealings with a tabloid newspaper.  I simply cannot believe she had not entered into a contract, oral or written, prior to giving evidence.

(iii). The jury were also clearly misled on Julie Mugford's criminal record, and although this was a minor point, I believe it was significant and I think the police and prosecution acted intentionally to mislead the court in this respect.

(iv). Sheila was shot at very different angles, which is apparent when you triangulate it.  On the face of it, this establishes Jeremy's guilt, due to the belief that Jeremy adjusted the rifle after realising Sheila was not dead after the first shot.  But on further reflection you have to ask how, if Jeremy is guilty, this is consistent with the pathologist's evidence.  Dr. Vanezis says Sheila fell back after the second shot.  That can't be true if Jeremy did it.  Mr Ismail's evidence, which is inconsistent with Dr Vanezis', does not assist on this point and is wrong anyway.

(v). The lack of post-mortem rigidity (rigor mortis) in Sheila's body, as confirmed in the witness statement of Ron Cook, who attended the body and moved Sheila's arm.

(vi). The apparent lack of lividity (livor mortis) in Sheila's body, as confirmed by the crime scene photographs.

(vii). Jeremy must have gone to and from the farmhouse on foot.  For a number of reasons, I find it doubtful he could have accomplished this in the time frame assumed.  By push bike or car was too risky for somebody who supposedly planned the act, because he could have run into somebody or easily been seen.

(viii). There is none of Nevill's blood in the bedroom.  I think this is one of the biggest problems for the prosecution.  It means that the incident sequence/choreography is thrown all over the place unless you either ignore the lack of Nevill's blood in that position or you switch around the position of the spent cartridges.  Otherwise, it makes more sense if Sheila is the killer and the phone call that Jeremy claims he received is consistent with a Sheila choreography.  For Jeremy to be the killer, he would have had to shoot Nevill on the main stairs, but that stairway is steep and narrow and it just doesn't seem likely to me. 

(ix). There is also the question of where Sheila was shot by Jeremy and when and how he managed to subdue her without incurring injuries or leaving Sheila with obvious injuries.  The prosecution explain this by trying to say that Sheila was sedated, but we have no evidence that she was sedated.  It's also not explained why Sheila would not react if, as the prosecution claim and rest on, a mayhemic and chaotic assault was taking place in the house only yards from where she was sleeping.  I don't accept that Jeremy, June and Nevill (if he was upstairs) would have agreed to be silent or extra quiet just so as not to wake up Sheila.

(x). The blood and DNA evidence remains inconclusive:

(a). It has never been established that Sheila's blood was found in the silencer.  There is even a possibility is was not human blood at all. 

(b). The jury at trial were misdirected by the judge on the blood evidence.

(c). DNA testing was carried out on the silencer in the 1990s, but the DNA samples were not blood-based, thus the findings cannot be considered probative.  Remember that these people lived at this house, or in Sheila's case, stayed there quite often, and the silencer could have been left around, which means there was a possibility of innocent contamination.  In any case, the findings were scientifically inconclusive.

(xi). I believe at least two silencers were examined by the FSS and recorded as bearing two sets of incriminating evidence. 

(xii). I do not believe the scratch marks on the underside of the mantelpiece of the aga oven could have been made by the silencer while it was attached to the rifle.

(xiii). The rifle pull-through test was completely unscientific and unreliable.  The rifle should have been subject to either chemical testing or been dismantled by machinists.  But if we accept Fletcher's findings at face value, then we have to believe either that the blood in the silencer has defied the laws of physics or there is some physical argument rooted in tension dynamics that explains the lack of blood in the rifle.

(xiv). The chain of custody of the silencer was completely unsatisfactory.  First, the police failed to find and/or record and remove the silencer immediately at the scene, despite (they claimed) a thorough search.  Then there was a failure to isolate the exhibit itself, and the exhibit was tampered with, and potentially valuable forensic evidence was lost.  The officer who took the evidence away was inebriated.

(xv). The distribution of blood in the silencer is consistent with contamination.  The relatives had the means, motive and opportunity to contaminate the silencer.  That, I stress, is not to say they did contaminate the silencer and I do not make that allegation - nor do I need to, as we only need doubt.

(xvi). The fingerprint evidence on the rifle, collected and recorded by Ron Cook, is more consistent with Sheila as the killer.  The lack of prints, with only two or three found, means that somebody wiped the rifle.  The person who wiped the rifle was the killer.  Jeremy had no motive to wipe the rifle, as it was effectively his rifle anyway, so any prints found could not incriminate him.  Sheila did have a motive to wipe the rifle, if she had just used it to kill her twins and parents, as she would not want to use it on herself if it had their blood on and/or she may have ritualistically cleaned it.

(xvii). Jeremy's behaviour after the incident is often cited as a further reason to suspect him, but these same people also want us to believe Jeremy coldly planned the whole thing.  Would a cold-blooded mass murderer conduct himself as Jeremy did?  Furthermore, a lot of the behaviours that are seen as suspicious could be interpreted the opposite way.  Jeremy was obviously acting at the funeral, but the funeral was being broadcast on the TV in front of millions.  What was he supposed to do?  Jeremy started hurriedly selling the valuable contents of the farmhouse.  Certainly this could be considered tactless and insensitive, but somebody had to attend to the estate and selling the contents is the obvious thing to do and would the expected course of action of an innocent person.  A guilty person might have been more cautious.

(xviii). Jeremy, who is supposed to have planned it all out, answered police questions freely and openly.  Wouldn't a cold-blooded inheritance killer who had just committed mass murder have been a bit more reticent and cautious?  It should be stressed that there is a right to silence and an innocent person could well remain silent under such circumstances (indeed, that is normally the advice received from lawyers), but Jeremy was taking a big risk as a guilty man answering police questions and giving away all that information.  He had already given witness statements.  Why not just ask the police to refer back to those?

(xix). In my view, the inheritance motive falls down, mainly to do with the legal and practical complexities of the estate.  Jeremy was not a lawyer, but as a farmer's son, and having regular conversations with Nevill, he would have been aware of a lot of these issues.  I appreciate that a guilty Jeremy would have had in mind getting his hands on family money, but it was not a simple matter of killing his family and then receiving loads of ready cash.  He must have known this.

(xx). The police destroyed a lot of evidence immediately at the scene and then later in the mid-1990s, important evidence was destroyed.

Cheers buddy. 

I will respond to QC's post above later today time permitting.