Industrial Frame Department

[Roch]

What wounds issue?

I'm pretty sure you're already aware of it. You scoffed at the time ( in the other forum) that PV would have noticed and recorded any such wounds. I don't recall you mentioning Bernie Knight but I take your point about him. The thing is, nobody knows exactly what Knight examined - it's not like somebody can say, 'here is the bundle that Bernie had, as you can see he has colour enlargements of the following.. '.

[Roch]

I object to this comment Roch, we’re getting all sorts of accusations thrown our way, I’m being described as a toilet cleaner and someone who kisses Bottoms and sucks dangly things, now this.  Surely their has to be some sort of respect.  Enough is enough, I’ve never asked for anyone to be banned but I’m beginning to loose my patience.

I didn't realise you had been described in that way - all I saw was the word 'bottom'. I didn't actually read the post. Although dark side could mean the murky world of dodgy cops and withheld evidence etc., all I actually meant was similar to in football terms - for example maybe a Spurs fan would see Arsenal as the 'dark side'.

[lookout]

This case has been made to be a complex one by ALL the mistakes, which has been so unnecessary.
The amount of spin which has been created just beggars belief, when, from the beginning, it was a straightforward murder/suicide.
 I'm confident that I remain 100% certain of JB's innocence.

Who, in their RIGHT mind would even contemplate murder knowing that their own lives too will come to an end ?

I have no confidence in the justice system as it stands, especially when reading about different sentences being handed out to the most heinous of crimes instead of a " one size fits all " sentence in certain crimes where you know that the criminal will reoffend ( well I know ,and I'm usually right ! ) 

I am the type of person who could attend a hanging, or even pull the lever on a person or persons who murder children. I'd have no qualms about that whatsoever. Or even shooting a child murderer, because these people don't belong in a civilised world and are evil cowards. I feel very strongly about this as sentencing does nothing in a cushy environment. Cages for these monsters !!

[David1819]

What non gunshot wounds?  The only other wound observed by the HO pathologist was some sort of scratch on her abdomen covered by a dressing. The idea that a heavyweight like Prof Knight for the defence overlooked anything is completely out of the question. 

Even if Bamber left the rifle out there's no way of knowing whether or not Mr Bamber (or any of the other occupants) moved it to the den/gun cupboard especially with two young children running about.   

Like most 'supporters' you can't see the wood for the trees.

He believes that drops of blood on Sheila's arm (from her neck wound) are actually some 28 injuries that June somehow manged to inflict despite being shot 5 times in bed. 

[Roch]

He believes that drops of blood on Sheila's arm (from her neck wound) are actually some 28 injuries that June somehow manged to inflict despite being shot 5 times in bed. 

You've never said the drops were from Sheila's neck.

[JackieD]

I object to this comment Roch, we’re getting all sorts of accusations thrown our way, I’m being described as a toilet cleaner and someone who kisses Bottoms and sucks dangly things, now this.  Surely their has to be some sort of respect.  Enough is enough, I’ve never asked for anyone to be banned but I’m beginning to loose my patience.

You can dish it out but you can’t take it can you fake justice

Let me explain what the dark side is


Julie Mugford making a deal with a newspaper before trial
The relatives trying to mislead the jury
All the missing and witheld evidence
The tampered with silencer

If you can’t grasp there are serious issues with this then you have problems

So stop insult members that are just looking for the truth

[killingeve]

This case has been made to be a complex one by ALL the mistakes, which has been so unnecessary.
The amount of spin which has been created just beggars belief, when, from the beginning, it was a straightforward murder/suicide.
 I'm confident that I remain 100% certain of JB's innocence.

Who, in their RIGHT mind would even contemplate murder knowing that their own lives too will come to an end ?

I have no confidence in the justice system as it stands, especially when reading about different sentences being handed out to the most heinous of crimes instead of a " one size fits all " sentence in certain crimes where you know that the criminal will reoffend ( well I know ,and I'm usually right ! ) 

I am the type of person who could attend a hanging, or even pull the lever on a person or persons who murder children. I'd have no qualms about that whatsoever. Or even shooting a child murderer, because these people don't belong in a civilised world and are evil cowards. I feel very strongly about this as sentencing does nothing in a cushy environment. Cages for these monsters !!

If you had your way the likes of Stefan Kiszko, a completely innocent man, would have hanged. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lesley_Molseed

And if Bamber is innocent, as you believe him to be, he would have hanged some 35 years ago. 

You never think anything through because you're so convinced you're right all the time. 

[lookout]

If you had your way the likes of Stefan Kiszko, a completely innocent man, would have hanged. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lesley_Molseed

And if Bamber is innocent, as you believe him to be, he would have hanged some 35 years ago. 

You never think anything through because you're so convinced you're right all the time.

This is exactly the answer that I was expecting from the likes of you. If police/ courts/ judges et al did their work properly, there'd be no need for mistakes.

I am right for the majority of the time !!

[killingeve]

I'm pretty sure you're already aware of it. You scoffed at the time ( in the other forum) that PV would have noticed and recorded any such wounds. I don't recall you mentioning Bernie Knight but I take your point about him. The thing is, nobody knows exactly what Knight examined - it's not like somebody can say, 'here is the bundle that Bernie had, as you can see he has colour enlargements of the following.. '.

Prof Knight was a pathologist of long experience at the time of Bamber's trial and was party to the HO pathologist's trial testimony. 

The idea that the pathological evidence is wrong to any degree it would have altered the outcome of the trial is a total non-starter. 

[guest7363]

This case has been made to be a complex one by ALL the mistakes, which has been so unnecessary.
The amount of spin which has been created just beggars belief, when, from the beginning, it was a straightforward murder/suicide.
 I'm confident that I remain 100% certain of JB's innocence.

Who, in their RIGHT mind would even contemplate murder knowing that their own lives too will come to an end ?

I have no confidence in the justice system as it stands, especially when reading about different sentences being handed out to the most heinous of crimes instead of a " one size fits all " sentence in certain crimes where you know that the criminal will reoffend ( well I know ,and I'm usually right ! ) 

I am the type of person who could attend a hanging, or even pull the lever on a person or persons who murder children. I'd have no qualms about that whatsoever. Or even shooting a child murderer, because these people don't belong in a civilised world and are evil cowards. I feel very strongly about this as sentencing does nothing in a cushy environment. Cages for these monsters !!

Its a hard one that Lookout, think of Jerry and how would you feel now?

[killingeve]

This is exactly the answer that I was expecting from the likes of you. If police/ courts/ judges et al did their work properly, there'd be no need for mistakes.

I am right for the majority of the time !!

Then given you know the police/courts/judges get it wrong, after all they're human, then why are you advocating the death penalty?

As I said you simply don't think things through and no you're not right the majority of the time, far from it!!!

[Roch]

Prof Knight was a pathologist of long experience at the time of Bamber's trial and was party to the HO pathologist's trial testimony. 

The idea that the pathological evidence is wrong to any degree it would have altered the outcome of the trial is a total non-starter.

I'm not saying Knight was crooked. I'm querying the size and quality of what he looked at. We don't really know how much time Knight spent on it. Knight may have thought 'well he's guilty anyway, so why bother going in to it too deeply?' You never know.

Re your second paragraph, I don't understand the way you have phrased it.

[lookout]

Its a hard one that Lookout, think of Jerry and how would you feel now?

Which is why I said that if things had been done properly and thoroughly the WHF murders would have been solved and there'd have been no need for the case to have reached the courtroom.
In my own profession there was no room for mistakes and a lot was based on common sense and not a manual as each person is an individual whether you're nursing them or arresting them.

Why is it that those on the outside can spot the mistakes that were made in this case ? 

[guest7363]

Which is why I said that if things had been done properly and thoroughly the WHF murders would have been solved and there'd have been no need for the case to have reached the courtroom.
In my own profession there was no room for mistakes and a lot was based on common sense and not a manual as each person is an individual whether you're nursing them or arresting them.

Why is it that those on the outside can spot the mistakes that were made in this case ?

Insulate Bamber, hopefully we will see one or two gluing themselves to the Police Station. Come on Down Roch, either put up or shut up now’s  your chance for you supporters 👍

https://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/19739019.white-house-farm-murders-jeremy-bambers-supporters-hold-protest/

Essex Police have continued to comply will all legal requirements in this case, and will continue to assist the CCRC as required.”

[guest29835]

I object to this comment Roch, we’re getting all sorts of accusations thrown our way, I’m being described as a toilet cleaner and someone who kisses Bottoms and sucks dangly things, now this.  Surely their has to be some sort of respect.  Enough is enough, I’ve never asked for anyone to be banned but I’m beginning to loose my patience.

I think that [in bold] refers to something I posted on here, but you're missing out some crucial context.

I was being goaded by several Forum members, including you (not for the first time- you have always goaded me on here).  Your actions were unprovoked, and when I complained, you started with the 'cry baby' stuff.  I got angry and lashed out and posted a single off-colour joke about you and NGB1066.

In response, NGB1066 banned me - I assume because he was also the subject of my joke and the joke hit close to home - but to my knowledge no action was taken against you or anybody else.  In effect, I was victimised and then scapegoated.

I don't want to start an argument with you about it and I do appreciate that you have had to put up with a lot, but I must set the record straight on that incident.  You are now quoting it as your Waterloo, when in fact you were one of the bullies - which is in keeping with your character.  You are personally vested in the case and you come across to me as a bit of bootlicker.