Bamber's reaction to Nevill's 11 words.

[lookout]

There are always other ways of looking at a person's psych. and not only one-tracked either.

[Rob_]

It wouldn't have entered JB's head that a non-999 call would look suspicious. It's all in the minds of those who say he's guilty.

It just shows he did not know what to do, if he invented the call from Nevil surely he would just dial 999?

[guest29835]

It just shows he did not know what to do, if he invented the call from Nevil surely he would just dial 999?

Guilters try to get round that point by arguing that he wanted to delay the authorities.  But I've never understood why he would want to delay the arrival of the police at the scene, even if he did it.  They try to say that he would have been worried about the bodies looking like they had been shot much earlier that morning, but I'm really not sure he would have appreciated that, assuming it would have made any difference at all.

An additional complication is the need to factor in the staging or fabrication of a call from Nevill, which makes it even more of a stretch.

[lookout]

It just shows he did not know what to do, if he invented the call from Nevil surely he would just dial 999?

Exactly Rob.

[Adam]

Guilters try to get round that point by arguing that he wanted to delay the authorities.  But I've never understood why he would want to delay the arrival of the police at the scene, even if he did it.  They try to say that he would have been worried about the bodies looking like they had been shot much earlier that morning, but I'm really not sure he would have appreciated that, assuming it would have made any difference at all.

An additional complication is the need to factor in the staging or fabrication of a call from Nevill, which makes it even more of a stretch.

To delay and to give him more chance of getting picked up by the police.

[Adam]

Guilters try to get round that point by arguing that he wanted to delay the authorities.  But I've never understood why he would want to delay the arrival of the police at the scene, even if he did it.  They try to say that he would have been worried about the bodies looking like they had been shot much earlier that morning, but I'm really not sure he would have appreciated that, assuming it would have made any difference at all.

An additional complication is the need to factor in the staging or fabrication of a call from Nevill, which makes it even more of a stretch.

Not sure what this means.

[Adam]

Bamber's eventual reason for not dialling 999 -

He did not think it would make any difference in how quickly the police arrived.

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Looking up the number for the sixth furthest away police station sure isn't going to make things quicker.

[Rob_]

Guilters try to get round that point by arguing that he wanted to delay the authorities.  But I've never understood why he would want to delay the arrival of the police at the scene, even if he did it.  They try to say that he would have been worried about the bodies looking like they had been shot much earlier that morning, but I'm really not sure he would have appreciated that, assuming it would have made any difference at all.

An additional complication is the need to factor in the staging or fabrication of a call from Nevill, which makes it even more of a stretch.

Either way QC the time difference between Police responding to a 999 and calling them direct would not be much 10 minutes max? so like you I don't see the argument for JB wanting to delay.

JB was not to know that the Police investigation would be so shambolic, he must have expected he would at least be a main suspect? as there was only two possible suspects anyway.

[Steve_uk]

How would he know in advance that a medical professional would not take temperatures at the scene? How could he know in advance, that a medical professional would not establish times of death for victims, that did not fit with timeline set by his own claims?

How can he ensure that a struggle with Nevill or Sheila (a mother with fingernails, potentially fighting for her children's lives) or that furniture being bumped in to, would not cause him to have visible marks on his own person? 

If he can't guarantee that he will not be marked during the killing of five people, in a confined space with furniture, what is his plan B to explain the marks?

He turns up to meet the police with a black eye or scratches and claims 'oh yeah.. that's just a coincidence.. nothing to do with anything that happened here'.

It's laughable Lookout.

He was evidently trying to delay entry, hence the Sheila shooting practice story. The twins would be the easiest to kill and serve the additional purpose of testing the murder weapon. After one bullet each to Nicholas and Daniel he returned to finish the job with the arc pattern. Similarly with June the last fatal shot right between the eyes ensured her demise. Nevill was the main threat so more head shots. Sheila was led like a lamb to the slaughter to the master bedroom, not the twins room, a giveaway as to who the real perpetrator of this massacre was.

[Rob_]

Bamber's eventual reason for not dialling 999 -

He did not think it would make any difference in how quickly the police arrived.

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Looking up the number for the sixth furthest away police station sure isn't going to make things quicker.

Lets assume he is guilty Adam why not if the Nevil call is a fabrication just dial 999?

[guest29835]

Either way QC the time difference between Police responding to a 999 and calling them direct would not be much 10 minutes max? so like you I don't see the argument for JB wanting to delay.

JB was not to know that the Police investigation would be so shambolic, he must have expected he would at least be a main suspect? as there was only two possible suspects anyway.

I believe the onus is on guilters to explain why Jeremy would want to delay the police.  I have never seen a plausible explanation and I can only think of one: which is that Sheila was the killer, not Jeremy, but Jeremy would be happy to see all the family dead, so delayed the police as much as he could for that reason.

I have also never seen any guilter explain how Jeremy could have impeded police at the scene.  Was Bews taking orders from Jeremy?

[Steve_uk]

I believe the onus is on guilters to explain why Jeremy would want to delay the police.  I have never seen a plausible explanation and I can only think of one: which is that Sheila was the killer, not Jeremy, but Jeremy would be happy to see all the family dead, so delayed the police as much as he could for that reason.

I have also never seen any guilter explain how Jeremy could have impeded police at the scene.  Was Bews taking orders from Jeremy?

The police were his alibi. Not that he particularly wished to delay entry, but the longer the siege lasted the less suspicion would be thrown on the perpetrator, who also was priming them at every opportunity in what to expect within.

[guest29835]

The police were his alibi. Not that he particularly wished to delay entry, but the longer the siege lasted the less suspicion would be thrown on the perpetrator, who also was priming them at every opportunity in what to expect within.

But this so-called alibi rests on convincing the police that Sheila is still alive and moving around the farmhouse.  This in turn depends on Jeremy being present while the police are there, so the question still stands: how and why would his delay in mobilising the police and arriving at the farmhouse improve his situation? 

Surely, if this was his plan, his interest is in making sure he is at the farmhouse before the police arrive, so that he can be certain they don't just barge into the main kitchen?  How could he be sure the police wouldn't just do that?

People also say that he drove slowly to the farmhouse because he needed time to think, but I thought he'd already planned the whole thing?  And anyway, it depends on what he needed time to think about.

And if he planned all this, why didn't he ring 999?  If asked why his father hadn't done so, he could always explain that his father would want to keep the authorities away from the incident.

[lookout]

Either way QC the time difference between Police responding to a 999 and calling them direct would not be much 10 minutes max? so like you I don't see the argument for JB wanting to delay.

JB was not to know that the Police investigation would be so shambolic, he must have expected he would at least be a main suspect? as there was only two possible suspects anyway.

To be quite honest Rob, I don't think it would have crossed JB's mind that he would become a suspect.

[Jane]

Either way QC the time difference between Police responding to a 999 and calling them direct would not be much 10 minutes max? so like you I don't see the argument for JB wanting to delay.

JB was not to know that the Police investigation would be so shambolic, he must have expected he would at least be a main suspect? as there was only two possible suspects anyway.

Rob, were you a good boy at school, or did you stray into realms of bad behaviour? If you did -and I'm not suggesting REAL naughtiness, because it's all relative- can you remember how it felt when the time came to explain yourself/try to get yourself out of trouble? Did you face up to it immediately, or did you string it out for as long as possible to give yourself some extra time?