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Re: Bamber's reaction to Nevill's 11 words.
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2021, 11:01:AM »
How could Bamber know in advance, that temperatures would not be taken?

Likewise, how can Bamber know in advance, that he will not obtain any injuries or marks from other adults or furniture, during the course of such exertions?

Similarly, how can Bamber know in advance that a discussion about 'fostering' (which may have meant no more than assistance) would be a catalyst for a mother to kill herself and her children and parents? Which historic cases of mothers carrying out similar acts would have been prominent enough in the public eye in order to give Bamber the idea of 'precedence'.

No wonder successive campaign teams have stuck with the label 'a work of fiction' with regard to the prosecution version of events.

What conversation? No evidence exists of one.

You are right that there was probably a lot of investigating regarding the crime scene & bodies that Bamber would not be aware would take place.

He had insinuated Sheila & put the rifle on her. What more would the police want?
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Re: Bamber's reaction to Nevill's 11 words.
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2021, 11:04:AM »
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How could Bamber know in advance, that temperatures would not be taken?

What difference would it have made?

Quote from: Roch  date=1637489450
Likewise, how can Bamber know in advance, that he will not obtain any injuries or marks from other adults or furniture, during the course of such exertions?

He was in possession of a loaded firearm!

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Similarly, how can Bamber know in advance that a discussion about 'fostering' (which may have meant no more than assistance) would be a catalyst for a mother to kill herself and her children and parents? Which historic cases of mothers carrying out similar acts would have been prominent enough in the public eye in order to give Bamber the idea of 'precedence'.

How do you know such a conversation took place?  You're relying on the word of a convicted mass murderer!

Quote from: Roch  date=1637489450
No wonder successive campaign teams have stuck with the label 'a work of fiction' with regard to the prosecution version of events.

Seems to me its the supporters who operate on the basis of fiction!
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Re: Bamber's reaction to Nevill's 11 words.
« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2021, 11:08:AM »
What conversation? No evidence exists of one.

You are right that there was probably a lot of investigating regarding the crime scene & bodies that Bamber would not be aware would take place.

He had insinuated Sheila & put the rifle on her. What more would the police want?

It is implied by guilters that Bamber used the alleged 'fostering conversation' as a vehicle to explain Sheila's actions ie killings. My point is, how would Bamber have any understanding in advance, that such a conversation (for which no details were given) would be the catalyst for the killings? He doesn't even claim she was angry. Instead, he depicts her as vacant.

The raid team have already cleared Bamber re the placing of the rifle on top of Sheila. It's just that nobody within EP decided that the defence should be given such information. And therefore, nobody in the jury heard such information.
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Re: Bamber's reaction to Nevill's 11 words.
« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2021, 11:09:AM »

What difference would it have made?
 
He was in possession of a loaded firearm!
 
How do you know such a conversation took place?  You're relying on the word of a convicted mass murderer!

Seems to me its the supporters who operate on the basis of fiction!

Your replies indicate you do not understand my posts.

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Re: Bamber's reaction to Nevill's 11 words.
« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2021, 11:14:AM »
How would he know in advance that a medical professional would not take temperatures at the scene? How could he know in advance, that a medical professional would not establish times of death for victims, that did not fit with timeline set by his own claims?

How can he ensure that a struggle with Nevill or Sheila (a mother with fingernails, potentially fighting for her children's lives) or that furniture being bumped in to, would not cause him to have visible marks on his own person? 

If he can't guarantee that he will not be marked during the killing of five people, in a confined space with furniture, what is his plan B to explain the marks?

He turns up to meet the police with a black eye or scratches and claims 'oh yeah.. that's just a coincidence.. nothing to do with anything that happened here'.

It's laughable Lookout.


Roch, I'm convinced that there are certain things which it would never have occurred to him to think about. It's only with hindsight and MUCH more knowledge of the psychology behind the thinking of those who commit crimes, that we can ask the questions we're asking now.

On top of that, whilst he may have written the script, he had no way of knowing how the victims would play it out. He didn't have that much control, other than in his mind. He didn't bank on his father putting up a fight. It would all have been so much easier if they'd all, other than Sheila died in their beds, like the twins, without moving from them. Sheila, of course, had to be placed as near as dammit, to look as if she'd done it. He got it wrong because neither she -nor any other loving mother- would have chosen to die apart from the children they'd killed, in favour of a person who'd given  them grief most of their life.

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Re: Bamber's reaction to Nevill's 11 words.
« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2021, 11:18:AM »
It is implied by guilters that Bamber used the alleged 'fostering conversation' as a vehicle to explain Sheila's actions ie killings. My point is, how would Bamber have any understanding in advance, that such a conversation (for which no details were given) would be the catalyst for the killings? He doesn't even claim she was angry. Instead, he depicts her as vacant.

The raid team have already cleared Bamber re the placing of the rifle on top of Sheila. It's just that nobody within EP decided that the defence should be given such information. And therefore, nobody in the jury heard such information.


But there's only Bamber's word for it that such a conversation ever happened. It's just as likely that it was a part of a fictional back story to explain why she 'committed the crime'.

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Re: Bamber's reaction to Nevill's 11 words.
« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2021, 11:27:AM »
Excerpts from the Dickinson report were uploaded the other day confirming it was not part of police surgeons' role at the time to take temps.





It should have been known that to have taken the temperature of Sheila as she was would have eliminated anyone else with any involvement. It was a crime scene for goodness sake.

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Re: Bamber's reaction to Nevill's 11 words.
« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2021, 11:27:AM »
Your replies indicate you do not understand my posts.

Your posts indicate to me you do not understand the case or the weight of evidence against Bamber!

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Re: Bamber's reaction to Nevill's 11 words.
« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2021, 11:28:AM »

Roch, I'm convinced that there are certain things which it would never have occurred to him to think about. It's only with hindsight and MUCH more knowledge of the psychology behind the thinking of those who commit crimes, that we can ask the questions we're asking now.

On top of that, whilst he may have written the script, he had no way of knowing how the victims would play it out. He didn't have that much control, other than in his mind. He didn't bank on his father putting up a fight. It would all have been so much easier if they'd all, other than Sheila died in their beds, like the twins, without moving from them. Sheila, of course, had to be placed as near as dammit, to look as if she'd done it. He got it wrong because neither she -nor any other loving mother- would have chosen to die apart from the children they'd killed, in favour of a person who'd given  them grief most of their life.

What do you mean by this?

What trouble had Jeremy given Sheila and the twins prior to the killings?

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Re: Bamber's reaction to Nevill's 11 words.
« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2021, 11:29:AM »

But there's only Bamber's word for it that such a conversation ever happened. It's just as likely that it was a part of a fictional back story to explain why she 'committed the crime'.

Sorry Jane, but you are also not understanding my post. How would Bamber know that depicting a mother as being vacant during an alleged dinner table conversation in which 'fostering', was mentioned, would be deemed as being sufficient to explain Sheila going on a rampage and killing the household?

What well known precedents were there in similar historic cases, that would provide Bamber with that idea? And if he chose to use this as a vehicle to explain that nights' events, why does he not describe Sheila as enraged or angry or emotional?
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Re: Bamber's reaction to Nevill's 11 words.
« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2021, 11:30:AM »
Your posts indicate to me you do not understand the case or the weight of evidence against Bamber!

That's a bit cheeky.  Roch has been posting regularly on this Forum since 2011.  You are new here.

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Re: Bamber's reaction to Nevill's 11 words.
« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2021, 11:32:AM »




It should have been known that to have taken the temperature of Sheila as she was would have eliminated anyone else with any involvement. It was a crime scene for goodness sake.





Where there has been a crime resulting in death, the importance of having temperatures  taken is imperative in also convicting the assailant.

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Re: Bamber's reaction to Nevill's 11 words.
« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2021, 11:38:AM »




Where there has been a crime resulting in death, the importance of having temperatures  taken is imperative in also convicting the assailant.





Because SJ had suspected JB from day one, the above could have been solved. I wonder if SJ knew that Sheila hadn't been dead for hours ? I remain suspicious of lots of things.

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Re: Bamber's reaction to Nevill's 11 words.
« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2021, 11:43:AM »
That's a bit cheeky.  Roch has been posting regularly on this Forum since 2011.  You are new here.

Might be cheeky but it's true.  Granted he's not in the relegation zone like Lookout and JackieD.

I spent some 18 months reading the case material before I started posting here. Most just join and spout. 

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Re: Bamber's reaction to Nevill's 11 words.
« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2021, 11:44:AM »
Sorry Jane, but you are also not understanding my post. How would Bamber know that depicting a mother as being vacant during an alleged dinner table conversation in which 'fostering', was mentioned, would be deemed as being sufficient to explain Sheila going on a rampage and killing the household?

What well known precedents were there in similar historic cases, that would provide Bamber with that idea? And if he chose to use this as a vehicle to explain that nights' events, why does he not describe Sheila as enraged or angry or emotional?

Given how little in depth knowledge he appeared to have of her condition, I doubt he'd have gone looking for "precedents". You're applying what's common-place today, with what wasn't possible back then..............even if he'd believed it important to do.