My Challenge To The Supporters

[lookout]

A large rug which covered the bedroom floor was burned because I imagine it was sodden with blood. The rug would have been a similar one to Sheila's bedroom rug. There wouldn't have been footprints on the carpet underneath because both Sheila and June were deceased when the rug was removed. Maybe the drips around where Sheila is and other drips which were detected came from the larger rug when it was moved out and where the blood had dripped out of it as it was only porous to an extent and not where the blood had pooled from both females.

[guest29835]

It's difficult when you say silly things that aren't evidence based.

It must be that Stan Jones was silly because he made similar observations about Sheila's body for a documentary. 

[killingeve]

It must be that Stan Jones was silly because he made similar observations about Sheila's body for a documentary.

Take it up with him then.  If it was possible to accurately gauge emotional states shortly before or at death then pathologists would build it into reports but it isn't hence they don't comment on such.

[lookout]

If Sheila was squelching with blood in the carpets as she trod then where are the footprints from the footwear?  Where's all the abudance of blood you refer to?

So shot persons don't bleed ? The abundance of blood covered the Chinese rug which was on top of what you see the bodies lying on. It was this larger rug which was removed or police would have been treading it all over the place----hence the displacement of the female bodies.

[killingeve]

A large rug which covered the bedroom floor was burned because I imagine it was sodden with blood. The rug would have been a similar one to Sheila's bedroom rug. There wouldn't have been footprints on the carpet underneath because both Sheila and June were deceased when the rug was removed. Maybe the drips around where Sheila is and other drips which were detected came from the larger rug when it was moved out and where the blood had dripped out of it as it was only porous to an extent and not where the blood had pooled from both females.

Well you imagined wrong then.  The scene of crime images capture the bloodstains and witness statements detail such. 

More rubbish from you as per usual.

[killingeve]

So shot persons don't bleed ? The abundance of blood covered the Chinese rug which was on top of what you see the bodies lying on. It was this larger rug which was removed or police would have been treading it all over the place----hence the displacement of the female bodies.

More rubbish. 

[guest29835]

Take it up with him then. If it was possible to accurately gauge emotional states shortly before or at death then pathologists would build it into reports but it isn't hence they don't comment on such.

I can't, he's dead.  But you should have seen his face when he died!  It was a picture.

[lookout]

More rubbish.

It might be rubbish to you but it's common sense to me, something that you're sadly lacking.

[guest7363]

We have to remember, when Bews and Myhill passed Bamber on route, they did the right thing due to the nature of the call, it’s no use at this stage pulling up outside the farmhouse, it could have triggered off a response from Sheila who was a Nutter in their eyes from the information they had received  and possibly got a gun.

They’re passed Bamber so they pull up short of the house in the Lane, wait for Bamber and then do the right thing again, they started to gather more info from the only possible witness at this stage.  Bews and Myhill set off to gather more information from the farm house and surroundings and decide to pull back and question Jeremy again, he could help them probably further, it’s at this point Myhill says to Bamber after discussing various things, “Why did your Father decide to ring you and not the Police if there was trouble”

So Bews and Myhill know nothing about any other phone call regarding Nevill to Police, they didn’t say to Jeremy we’ve had a report your fathers rang, they didn’t say to Jeremy there’s been reports of shooting.

They probably thought at this stage, lights are on so we might as well give it another check, but they must have asked themselves, what the hell have they sent us for we can’t do anything here, She’s a nutter, liable to use the gun, plenty of guns to use, even Jeremy seems scared to go in he’s already said I don’t get on with her and I don’t like her,  so what’s our chances, so they do the right thing, they don’t antagonise the situation and send for a policing unit that can deal with it better.  If they had a figure at the window or door to converse with, they probably would have tried to get this persons attention, as it happened there wasn’t any.  After Bews makes the call, he spends time with Jeremy making plans of the house ready for the raid team. Bews actually goes back to the house for another check with Myhill, if they were sure someone was alive with a gun at the window, I’m sure they wouldn’t have risked this.

Figure at the window, it’s probably right what they’re saying, light etc, when they check they all agree it was this.  It’s probably spooked them at this stage, they’re all taking cover, but to make sure and like when ever anyone comes from out a hiding place or breaking cover you make a dash for it so as not to be seen, it’s a natural thing to do.

I think about 3.55 am was the Approx time given that Bews went to have a second look at the house with Bamber, they didn’t stop long and made their way back (run) so it wouldn’t have took long anyway.  Not long after and again they are all Approx times, Adams picks up on the radio Chatter about possible firearms incident at 4.00am, this would coincide with Bews and co speaking over the radio, Adams contacts HQ and tells them he has a firearms team at ready if needed.  He says he didn’t hear anything for a while but they would need authority to draw firearms, hence the possible delay in getting this Authority.

Obviously he’s told to make his way back to HQ in preparation for drawing firearms he arrives roughly and again Approx 4.30 am, at HQ there was a dog handler on duty and he offered to direct the team to WHF and they arrive at 5.00 am

[Roch]

Where has the forum introduction gone? I can see the case synopsis but not the introduction. In the latter, the logs are discussed and it makes reference of the drawing of firearms in the 80's.

[guest7363]

Where has the forum introduction gone? I can see the case synopsis but not the introduction. In the latter, the logs are discussed and it makes reference of the drawing of firearms in the 80's.

My biggest Problem with Adams and again it’s splitting hairs, I don’t know if the A12 dual carriageway was built then or if they were in South Colchester or North or what, it’s how quick they got back to HQ from being told to make their way back.  Adams could quite easily have made a decision to head back once he heard the radio chatter and he had offered his assistance so he’s got an head start.  I do realise that there would be no traffic on the roads and the speed etc again I’m splitting hairs I think.  I’m relating it more from when I lived in Colly?

[Jane]

The person in question was a mild-mannered person until she tried to throw her mother downstairs, in the early hours of the morning. Police were called in but couldn't/ didn't do anything except take the mother to alternate accommodation away from the situation until there was some kind of resolution. The person fought with the police thinking they were spying on her and also spoke of the CND so that could have preyed on her mind as she barricaded herself indoors.

It's their visions/ delusions which are very real to them as though they're on a different planet.
Some dementia sufferers have similar symptoms and are worlds away from what they once were. I nursed a lovely gentleman many years ago, the head of a prestigious school and he could turn very violent, suddenly without warning, his poor wife was black and blue when he was admitted , both early 60's, but so out of character for him as we assured his wife that he didn't mean to be so cruel, it wasn't his fault.

This is why I see no difficulty whatsoever in Sheila carrying out these murders. I've seen too much of it in the past that these sick people can turn on a sixpence, it doesn't take much. I wonder about Nevill too and how far he could have been pushed ?! Two warring women in the house. They all needed a break 

But it can't categorically be claimed that what occurred in the case of patient A, will happen in patient B, or, for that matter, any other patient. Much will depend on how/if patients are medicated.

[Jane]

My biggest Problem with Adams and again it’s splitting hairs, I don’t know if the A12 dual carriageway was built then or if they were in South Colchester or North or what, it’s how quick they got back to HQ from being told to make their way back.  Adams could quite easily have made a decision to head back once he heard the radio chatter and he had offered his assistance so he’s got an head start.  I do realise that there would be no traffic on the roads and the speed etc again I’m splitting hairs I think.  I’m relating it more from when I lived in Colly?

I replied, earlier on, to a post which disappeared, in which you spoke about police going down the A12 from Colchester. I wondered if it might have been closer for them to have used the Maldon road as the A12 would have taken them wide of where they needed to be.

[guest7363]

I replied, earlier on, to a post which disappeared, in which you spoke about police going down the A12 from Colchester. I wondered if it might have been closer for them to have used the Maldon road as the A12 would have taken them wide of where they needed to be.

Oh gotcha Jane, I removed it because I was going out and I didn’t know if I’d got my times right so I checked them when I got back.  I think it would depend on their whereabouts in Colchester they actually was wouldn’t you agree if they were up near the station then it seems a lot longer Journey,  I didn’t use the Maldon road too much myself to Chelmsford I just thought the A12 would have been faster Jane?

[Jane]

Oh gotcha Jane, I removed it because I was going out and I didn’t know if I’d got my times right so I checked them when I got back.  I think it would depend on their whereabouts in Colchester they actually was wouldn’t you agree if they were up near the station then it seems a lot longer Journey,  I didn’t use the Maldon road too much myself to Chelmsford I just thought the A12 would have been faster Jane?

I'd forgotten that the police station had once been near the RW station!! -wasn't it a fairly small Victorian building?- I thought it was on Southway, right next to Maldon road. But if it was near the station, the A12 would have been quicker.