My Challenge To The Supporters

[guest29835]

I think it was a 'trick of the light' which Bews et al recaptured by moving back and forth to satisfy themselves.  Bamber saw what they did and agreed.  Hence he didn't mention in his witness statments, police interviews, trial, 2002 appeal, 2012 submission and many other opportunities he has since had to mention eg interview with David James Smith.

Thank you.  You, Jane and Real Justice may well be right about this.  There are one or two pieces of research which I may follow that could shed light on the matter (forgive the pun), but I'm inclined to leave it for now.  Quite honestly, we can't know for sure, in my view.

[Adam]

From Bill

It suggests to me that Bews must have seen Sheila armed with a rifle at the bedroom window.

Not sure why Sheila would feel the need to carry the rifle around with her. If she was now the only one alive.

She could just pick it up later if she later decided to commit suicide.

If suicide was pre planned she would have killed herself before the police arrived.

[killingeve]

Nevill would have explained the situation when he rang EP, which is why they kept their distance from the property when they arrived. Due to Nevill's call, EP were up to speed with the amount/makes of guns etc. kept at the farmhouse---which JB hadn't mentioned in his call to them ?

Why didn't anyone mention this so-called call from Mr Bamber snr at the crime scene?

[lookout]

JB's defence didn't pursue the trick of the light and passed it off as such. JB probably thought at the time it would have been questioned by Rivlin, but it wasn't. Bews had said it was the moon shining in except that it was on the wrong part of the house.
In an interview on TV, Bews had said that it was Jeremy who saw the figure in the window, implying that he was leading officers into thinking they saw something ! This was never suggested in documents or at trial.

[killingeve]

So why did Bews agree that it was " a trick of the light " when he had such information passed to him ?
What made the man lie ?

What information?

[killingeve]

I can appreciate that a person's judgement can become clouded in such a situation at that particular time of early dawning, but you don't go running for the " big-guns " at the sight of a shadow ?

You have to explain why Bamber didn't mention any of this in his witness statements, police interviews, trial, 2002 appeal, 2012 submission, when he was with friends and family at his cottage in the immediate aftermath, to Colin, interview with David James Smith. 

[lookout]

You have to explain why Bamber didn't mention any of this in his witness statements, police interviews, trial, 2002 appeal, 2012 submission, when he was with friends and family at his cottage in the immediate aftermath, to Colin, interview with David James Smith.

I'm surprised really as a pre-planned killing you'd have everything written down to remember and there were many things which JB could have said, but didn't, so he must be backward !

The more he'd have rattled off after losing all his family, the more suspicious I'D have been !

[Jane]

I'm surprised really as a pre-planned killing you'd have everything written down to remember and there were many things which JB could have said, but didn't, so he must be backward !

The more he'd have rattled off after losing all his family, the more suspicious I'D have been !

We would only write down/ask questions of those things we know about -it has nothing to do with our IQ- through our experience of them. It's the unexpected 'stuff' which catches us out every time.

[lookout]

Myall had reported seeing an unidentified male which tied in at the time of the figure in the window----but in court it was dismissed as a trick of the light, so who was JB to argue against the police ? There were all kinds of contradictory reports from different officers stating which lights were on or off and in which rooms.
This going on and off of lights would indicate that someone was alive at that time within the farmhouse.

[Rob_]

Rob, please read West’s court testimony and statement, it tells you what Bamber told him and what message he passed on to Witham (Bews)

I have read it RJ, but Bews and Myall's statements sound more like the information is coming from MB?

[Rob_]

My understanding is that nobody has claimed that anybody saw a figure at the bedroom window.  The claim is that there was movement at the bedroom window.

I read somewhere that Myall requested the room to be searched for fingerprints, though I would have thought this would be done anyway?

[killingeve]

Back to the thread title and post #1.

My scenario -

*  Once Bamber enters the farmhouse, via one of the windows he admitted he could gain entry through regardless of whether it was secured or not, he removes the ivory kitchen handset from the cradle thus disabling all other phones within the property. 

*  Grabs the rifle and stuffs his pocket full with ammunition from the cupboard under the stairs.  As a former marksman he knows he could kill each victim with a single gunshot wound to the head but needs it to look amateurish and frenzied.

*  He moves to Sheila's bedroom where he gags, blindfolds, and bounds her wrists and ankles.  Then carries her to his former bedroom and locks the door.

*  He deliberately makes noises until he knows the inevitable will happen ie Mrs Bamber wakes Mr Bamber to investigate.  It is often talked about that Mrs Bamber is a light sleeper, thinks she hears noises downstairs and sends Mr Bamber to investigate.

*  Bamber hides out in the twins room until he hears Mr Bamber making his way downstairs.  He then enters the main bedroom via the box room and open fires on June discharging 6 rounds.  Mr Bamber comes running back up the stairs and he shoots him twice on the stairs immediately preceding the main bedroom.  Mr Bamber turns and Bamber allows him to move to the main staircase where he shoots him again twice. 

*  The pair end up in the kitchen where the violent struggle takes place and the silencer scratches the mantle hence the paint.  Seeing Mr Bamber is no longer a threat he loads 4 further bullets and inflicts the gunshot wounds to the head.

*  He reloads 11 bullets.  Back upstairs.  He hears June moaning and sees her slumped by the door so inflicts 2 further gunshots wounds to the head.  Into the twins room where he discharges the rifle 8 times. 

*  Opens his bedroom door, carries Sheila to the main bedroom and inflicts the not immediately fatal wound.  Realising she is still alive he reloads another bullet and inflicts the fatal wound.  Removes Sheila's gag, blindfold, ankle/wrist ties and makes a pigs ear of staging the scene hence Martyn Ismail's testimony at the 2002 appeal.  Removes the silencer and puts it in a bag at the back of the cupboard where it is later found by Mr Boutflour jnr.

All the above fits with the bloodstains and casings etc. 

[guest7363]

Back to the thread title and post #1.

My scenario -

*  Once Bamber enters the farmhouse, via one of the windows he admitted he could gain entry through regardless of whether it was secured or not, he removes the ivory kitchen handset from the cradle thus disabling all other phones within the property. 

*  Grabs the rifle and stuffs his pocket full with ammunition from the cupboard under the stairs.  As a former marksman he knows he could kill each victim with a single gunshot wound to the head but needs it to look amateurish and frenzied.

*  He moves to Sheila's bedroom where he gags, blindfolds, and bounds her wrists and ankles.  Then carries her to his former bedroom and locks the door.

*  He deliberately makes noises until he knows the inevitable will happen ie Mrs Bamber wakes Mr Bamber to investigate.  It is often talked about that Mrs Bamber is a light sleeper, thinks she hears noises downstairs and sends Mr Bamber to investigate.

*  Bamber hides out in the twins room until he hears Mr Bamber making his way downstairs.  He then enters the main bedroom via the box room and open fires on June discharging 6 rounds.  Mr Bamber comes running back up the stairs and he shoots him twice on the stairs immediately preceding the main bedroom.  Mr Bamber turns and Bamber allows him to move to the main staircase where he shoots him again twice. 

*  The pair end up in the kitchen where the violent struggle takes place and the silencer scratches the mantle hence the paint.  Seeing Mr Bamber is no longer a threat he loads 4 further bullets and inflicts the gunshot wounds to the head.

*  He reloads 11 bullets.  Back upstairs.  He hears June moaning and sees her slumped by the door so inflicts 2 further gunshots wounds to the head.  Into the twins room where he discharges the rifle 8 times. 

*  Opens his bedroom door, carries Sheila to the main bedroom and inflicts the not immediately fatal wound.  Realising she is still alive he reloads another bullet and inflicts the fatal wound.  Removes Sheila's gag, blindfold, ankle/wrist ties and makes a pigs ear of staging the scene hence Martyn Ismail's testimony at the 2002 appeal.  Removes the silencer and puts it in a bag at the back of the cupboard where it is later found by Mr Boutflour jnr.

All the above fits with the bloodstains and casings etc.

Excellent and we’ll thought out CC.

[Rob_]

A gag would not keep Sheila quiet she would still be able to scream the place down, also she would have struggled and left visible marks on her wrists and ankles.

[Roch]

Excellent and we’ll thought out CC.

Bizarre. CC doesn't actually believe JB is guilty.