My Challenge To The Supporters

[Roch]

Roch listens to a guy who claims aliens go around abducting sheep. And reads conspiracy books authored by a guy who claims no Jews were killed in Auschwitz and it was actually some luxury Jewish holiday camp.

So who wont Roch listen to? 

I have no knowledge of any details regarding alternative interpretations of the Holocaust. Regardless of this, each incident should be looked at on its own merits. So an alleged assassination of a UK MP is unlikely to be linked to alternative interpretations of holocaust data or abnormalties regarding disappeared livestock or sightings of unidentifiable flying objects. Trying to conflate disconnected matters in a mocking way does not serve any purpose in terms of understanding these issues.

[guest7363]

Bill's point (from the perspective of an Essex police officer from the era of WHF) was that in order for WHF to be described as a 'shooting incident' there would need to be information that a shooting had actually occurred. He was familiar with how incidents were reported, how they were communicated between police officers, and how they were responded to by police officers.

I also was familiar with how fire arms teams responded,  He’s giving it as Fact Roch without substance.  If he’d started it by saying “Maybe” or “My Belief” that’s different.

[guest7363]

But you believe Ann Eaton to be reliable? 😏

But you don’t and to make that comparison was an utter disgrace to try and score points.

[Roch]

I also was familiar with how fire arms teams responded,  He’s giving it as Fact Roch without substance.  If he’d started it by saying “Maybe” or “My Belief” that’s different.

I meant, he had an understanding of how firearms incidents were responded to in rural Essex in the mid-80's. He had experience. With respect, you on the other hand have no experience of how firearms incidents were responded to in mid-80's in rural Essex. He posted as a researcher giving his opinion, because he smelled a very large rat, regarding how the incident was recorded, communicated and responded to. But because he's on the other side of the case to you, you have never afforded him any respect.

[Roch]

But you don’t and to make that comparison was an utter disgrace to try and score points.

It's because I am not emotionally invested in the Bernard Carter Kenny 'hero' story.  To me it's just propaganda.

If Bernard Carter Kenny intervened, it was not against Tommy Mair. Can you not see the irony? Somebody somewhere is laughing their tits off that an old man has been given a bravery award for allegedly trying to intervene against a gardener and member of the voluntary sector, when it was in fact a military hitman. BTW, where is the evidence of BCK's treatment / injuries? Did he get compensation?

[Bill Robertson]

I meant, he had an understanding of how firearms incidents were responded to in rural Essex in the mid-80's. He had experience. With respect, you on the other hand have no experience of how firearms incidents were responded to in mid-80's in rural Essex. He posted as a researcher giving his opinion, because he smelled a very large rat, regarding how the incident was recorded, communicated and responded to. But because he's on the other side of the case to you, you have never afforded him any respect.

In my opinion a policeman can’t resolve a domestic dispute without knocking on the door to find out what is happening. In my opinion a policeman does not ask for a firearms team because he hears two dogs barking or sees moonlight on a window. As far as I am aware, that is factually correct even if farcical. Bews lied, in my opinion.

[lookout]

I think that the majority should know that given the costs and resources of calling out the firearms team and commissioning them to a crime scene is a last resort and as Bill said, they certainly WOULDN'T be called out to a shadow cast by the moon. I can't imagine anyone phoning and saying those words. It didn't happen !!

[Jane]

In my opinion a policeman can’t resolve a domestic dispute without knocking on the door to find out what is happening. In my opinion a policeman does not ask for a firearms team because he hears two dogs barking or sees moonlight on a window. As far as I am aware, that is factually correct even if farcical. Bews lied, in my opinion.

Leaving out you opinion of Bews, I concur that what you say -as it stands alone- is factually correct. However, if we add into the mix that it's bought to the attention of the police, that on the other side of the locked door is a psychotic woman, who has previously attempted suicide, brandishing a weapon that she's more than competent to use, would it not give a fairly clear indication of what might be going on. Would it not make sense, under such circumstances, to call on the assistance of those best equipped to deal with it?

[Bill Robertson]

Leaving out you opinion of Bews, I concur that what you say -as it stands alone- is factually correct. However, if we add into the mix that it's bought to the attention of the police, that on the other side of the locked door is a psychotic woman, who has previously attempted suicide, brandishing a weapon that she's more than competent to use, would it not give a fairly clear indication of what might be going on. Would it not make sense, under such circumstances, to call on the assistance of those best equipped to deal with it?

No, for a start, Bews was supposedly not aware that Sheila was psychotic or that she had previously attempted suicide (when?) Bews had no reason not to at the very least look through the windows. He was a police officer, you were paid to take a certain amount of risk.

[Adam]

Bews is interviewed on a documentary.

He said Bamber volunteered to him that there were fire arms in WHF & that Sheila knew how to use them.

Bews said 'that bumped things up a bit.

[Adam]

Bamber also said -

Sheila was a 'nutter', 'do lally', 'looney', 'psychotic depressive' & 'should be locked' up.

She knew how to use all the rifles at WHF & a loaded one had been left out by Jeremy after he went to shoot rabbits.

Nevill had rang him but the phone went dead after 11 words.

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I know Bodie & Doyle would dive through a shut window. Bews wouldn't.

[Jane]

No, for a start, Bews was supposedly not aware that Sheila was psychotic or that she had previously attempted suicide (when?) Bews had no reason not to at the very least look through the windows. He was a police officer, you were paid to take a certain amount of risk.

Are you saying that during the time he was outside with JB, he asked no questions about the person inside who was wielding a gun she was competent to use, and JB offered no information. Not for one moment do I believe it's required of any police officer to get close enough to peer through a window, the other side of which is known to be a deranged person with a loaded gun.

[guest29835]

In my opinion a policeman can’t resolve a domestic dispute without knocking on the door to find out what is happening. In my opinion a policeman does not ask for a firearms team because he hears two dogs barking or sees moonlight on a window. As far as I am aware, that is factually correct even if farcical. Bews lied, in my opinion.

To be fair, Bill, wasn't Jeremy telling the police that this was a dangerous situation and filling them in with background about the phone call and what not? If Sheila was armed and inside the house, there would be a risk that she could fire from a window or through a door, and anybody attempting an unarmed entry would be at a disadvantage and vulnerable.  I have never been a police officer, you have, but would you accept all this?

[lookout]

I can appreciate that a person's judgement can become clouded in such a situation at that particular time of early dawning, but you don't go running for the " big-guns " at the sight of a shadow ?

[lookout]

Didn't one or two describe the apparition as being male ? Walking from left to right, or was it right to left ? Which to my mind looks to have been a human and not a " trick of the light ".