Nevill's call to Bamber. What was Sheila doing?

[JackieD]

From paragraph 7 of the 2002 appeal judgment:

Source: http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/judgements/Bamber/index.html

 

[guest29835]

Have you listened to the Daily Mirror's audio recording of Bamber explaining his actions on the night after he claims he received a telephone call from his father?

Yes and I don't believe what Jeremy says about this can be relied on.

[guest7363]

Arguing over what Nevill may or may not have said to him over the phone is, in my view, a fool's errand - for the reasons given earlier in the thread.  He could easily have been lying about it and still be innocent.  I see that in his statement given on 7th. August 1985, he gave more of a summary of what was said, which sounds more plausible than how he reported it later.  I appreciate that he doesn't say in so many words that his father told him to come over, and it could be that he didn't and this partly caused Jeremy's uncertainty and confusion as to what to do.  We'll never know and I doubt Jeremy could even remember what Nevill told him minutes after he took the call - if there was such a call.

I agree, it’s a bit like Chinese whispers where things are added after, I think this is what Bamber did after events to either make him look good or for pity.

[killingeve]

Yes and I don't believe what Jeremy says about this can be relied on.

I agree nothing he says can be relied upon but its not what he says its his actions after the phone call and the testimony of independent witnesses. 

If Mr Bamber called and said Sheila has gone crazy and has the gun can you come over then there was no reason for him to attempt to call back to see what action his father wanted him to take.  And no reason to call Julie Mugford. 

[killingeve]

Using smilies to endorse a post that makes Bamber's claims of a phone call even more unlikely shows how clueless you are 

[guest29835]

I agree nothing he says can be relied upon but its not what he says its his actions after the phone call and the testimony of independent witnesses. 

If Mr Bamber called and said Sheila has gone crazy and has the gun can you come over then there was no reason for him to attempt to call back to see what action his father wanted him to take.  And no reason to call Julie Mugford.

Not what I said.

[killingeve]

Not what I said.

Well if you're neutral as you claim it would be the sensible position to take.  Lets stop splitting hairs.  Do you accept that if Mr Bamber asked his son to come over then there was no reason for Bamber to call back as he claims he did? 

[guest7363]

Using smilies to endorse a post that makes Bamber's claims of a phone call even more unlikely shows how clueless you are 

Yes, even though we can’t believe everything he says, he doesn’t seem to get his own story correct, Re the Julie Mugford morning call, did he ring her before or after he rang the police etc.  I get what QC is saying he could have been confused and you don’t take in every word and I agree with him, but I think there is a difference in being asked to come over and not and the word gun mentioned.  Maybe he was ashamed and he left out the fact his Father asked him to come over in his first interviews and he didn’t respond Quickly enough.  It certainly doesn’t do him any favours though. 

[guest7363]

Well if you're neutral as you claim it would be the sensible position to take.  Lets stop splitting hairs.  Do you accept that if Mr Bamber asked his son to come over then there was no reason for Bamber to call back as he claims he did?

I have to be honest and if I took that call and it ended quickly I would first try and ring back, if after a couple of rings it didn’t get answered and it was engaged, I would assume Dad was calling the Police  I’d have got in my car and been there as fast as I could, no question at all.

[lookout]

I have to be honest and if I took that call and it ended quickly I would first try and ring back, if after a couple of rings it didn’t get answered and it was engaged, I would assume Dad was calling the Police  I’d have got in my car and been there as fast as I could, no question at all.

My thoughts too RJ.

[killingeve]

I have to be honest and if I took that call and it ended quickly I would first try and ring back, if after a couple of rings it didn’t get answered and it was engaged, I would assume Dad was calling the Police  I’d have got in my car and been there as fast as I could, no question at all.

There's a huge difference between

a) Sheila's gone crazy she's got the gun'

AND

b) Sheila's gone crazy she's got the gun come over'

a) is simply telling someone something and b) is telling someone something AND asking them to take some action.  a) justifies a call back and b) doesn't.

[killingeve]

Unfortunately it seems Bamber's interview with The Mirror by way of an audio recording is no longer available.  But he clearly stated he attempted to call his father back to ask what action he wanted him to take.

[JackieD]

One million posts later and there is no actual proof of anything. Its hilarious how aggressive posters get when they havent  and will never know what really went on,  Lets concentrate on the main prosecution witness Mugford and all the missing notes.  Then we will have actual proof in writing what went down at the police station and evidence of her being coached. Actual facts

[killingeve]

One million posts later and there is no actual proof of anything. Its hilarious how aggressive posters get when they havent  and will never know what really went on,  Lets concentrate on the main prosecution witness Mugford and all the missing notes.  Then we will have actual proof in writing what went down at the police station and evidence of her being coached. Actual facts

How do you know who knows what? 

[lookout]

Like most people, answering such a call would put the fear of God into you knowing that Sheila had been unpredictable in the past when Nevill's calls for assistance had been needed, so hesitation would be the norm in some while getting their head together to ring back for more information and as RJ pointed out when JB tried to ring back he found the phone engaged which would have been Nevill ringing the police at that time.