Is Colin Caffell In Any Way Resposnible For Bamber?

[JackieD]

Troll can you not grasp facts

I am talking about the recent appearances of Colin Caffell on National tv to promote a follow up book (which included letters with passages missing which were obviously important)

He lied. Fact.

[lookout]

I am dealing with your nastiness to Lookout.

That’s why I saw your post


You are obviously of low intelligence and not able to grasp the fact that you don’t have to be a sharp shooter to kill someone at a point blank range

Not surprised this is usual from the trolls that come on the forum

Colin would 100% know Sheila would not have to be a sharpshooter to carry out the murders

Colin would also 100% know that Sheila had been on shooting parties and knew about guns

Colin lied for what reason ?

He was on National tv promoting his book

A .22 rifle is a " learners " rifle, easy to use etc. Sheila had been surrounded by various guns/rifles for most of her life on the farm.
A remark that Colin did make was that the guns should have been locked away while Sheila had been staying at WHF !? Really ? Not because the twins might pick them up ?

[lookout]

You started this thread QT, you should have known ( probably did ) that it would spark an interest !
I thought you were intelligent. It would seem----not.

[killingeve]

I am dealing with your nastiness to Lookout.

That’s why I saw your post


You are obviously of low intelligence and not able to grasp the fact that you don’t have to be a sharp shooter to kill someone at a point blank range

Not surprised this is usual from the trolls that come on the forum

Colin would 100% know Sheila would not have to be a sharpshooter to carry out the murders

Colin would also 100% know that Sheila had been on shooting parties and knew about guns

Colin lied for what reason ?

He was on National tv promoting his book

It matters not the point being you lack discipline. 

I think Lookout is more than capable of looking after herself.  My advice would be don't post on public forums if you don't want your posts challenged which doesn't by the way amount to nastiness. 

As I keep saying Colin relied on the prosecution case at trial with regards to Sheila's ability to handle firearms. 

b) Save for the appellant nobody had seen her use a gun and she had no interest in them. Sheila Caffell also had very poor co-ordination and would not have been capable of loading and operating the rifle nor would she have had the required knowledge to do so;

The prosecution case at trial was that Sheila was not capable of loading and operating the rifle which I think originated from Mrs Eaton not Colin Caffell.  In any event if was all reinforced by the ballistics expert and another scientist who dealt with the hand swabs.

[lookout]

Troll can you not grasp facts

I am not talking about the recent appearances of Colin Caffell on National tv to promote a follow up book (which included letters with passages missing which were obviously important)

He lied. Fact.

They ALL lied Jackie, police too !

[killingeve]

You started this thread QT, you should have known ( probably did ) that it would spark an interest !
I thought you were intelligent. It would seem----not.

I started it in an attempt to end posts elsewhere.  Doesn't mean you have to post on a thread just because one was started. 

I bought to the fore the unpolished version of the 2002 appeal hearing but no one seems interested.  Probably because its fact based and hard work and yourself and JackieD are not fact based and lazy.  You prefer to just idly post about Colin, Julie and the relatives because its easy just to sit and slag people off. 

[killingeve]

Troll can you not grasp facts

I am not talking about the recent appearances of Colin Caffell on National tv to promote a follow up book (which included letters with passages missing which were obviously important)

He lied. Fact.

The onus is on you to make yourself clear. 

[JackieD]

They ALL lied Jackie, police too !

Lookout the troll is fully aware of the truth. I just had to spell it out to her/him. It’s important to get the truth out on the forum for all new posters to see

[killingeve]

Lookout the troll is fully aware of the truth. I just had to spell it out to her/him. It’s important to get the truth out on the forum for all new posters to see

If you're concerned about the truth then post up the text, video or whatever it is you are referring to. 

If you think you're playing to an audience I think you are mistaken.  And who are the new posters you refer to? 

[lookout]

Lookout the troll is fully aware of the truth. I just had to spell it out to her/him. It’s important to get the truth out on the forum for all new posters to see

Of course he/she is aware----must think that we've come up river on our bikes ( like JB did ) What's more, I don't think either of us needs an audience either, do we ? Narcissists we're not !!

[JackieD]

Of course he/she is aware----must think that we've come up river on our bikes ( like JB did ) What's more, I don't think either of us needs an audience either, do we ? Narcissists we're not !!

Spot on Lookout.

The false narrative regarding Sheila and guns continues up until this moment and has to be addressed

[guest29835]

I seem to recall you making a comment about the moderator sucking **** so the above is a bit rich coming from you.

I knew I shouldn't have commented here again.  What an unpleasant place this is. 

What you refer to is a single joke that was aimed at NG1066 and Real Justice.  I should not have posted the remark, but it was in the heat of being attacked and insulted by several people.  It has nothing whatever to do with my comments here about how we should discuss Colin and I'm not clear why you bring it up, but in a way I am glad you have because you have witlessly underscored my point about forum culture.

Of course, it is for members to decide for themselves individually how they wish to post on the topic, but I do think Steve has a point in that a bit of dignity is in order when discussing Colin.  I may not like Steve, but even when I dislike somebody, I am quick to acknowledge a good or valid point that they make.

Now I turn to one of my criticisms of Steve, which I will reiterate.  I am not perfect in the way I post on every topic on here, but I do - quite fairly - take issue with Steve about the way he has used Colin to attack me, because I have always been thoughtful and reasonably sensitive about it.  I think it is - or rather, was -  wrong of Steve to keep attacking me in that manner.  If Steve, or others, have an issue with how Colin is discussed, they should direct their ire at the right people.  And for the record, I have an issue with it as well, but I am not inclined to attack people personally unless they attack me personally.

That brings me back to you, "Cambridgecutie".  A while back, when you were new on here, I jumped to your defence.  I can now see that was a mistake.

I shall not be making the same mistake twice.

[lookout]

QC things were alright until QT came along with his/ her abuse and insults. I can't sit back while someone tells me it's about time I was put out to pasture along with threats to have me banned.

[Steve_uk]

Colin is not a private person.  He put himself in the spotlight with interviews to the media and a published book.

However, on this occasion, you are right in the important aspect of what you say.  Which is to say, I agree with the underlying point that you imply.  You are right to warn the Forum that any comment about Colin should be dignified and expressed with a bit of class.  The poor man lost his sons.  Without naming names, several here fall short.

The converse to that point is that I am not one of those who fall short.  I have always endeavoured to be thoughtful in any comment I make about Colin and I have also repeatedly praised his book.  You have repeatedly attempted to use Colin as a stick to beat me with by suggesting that I blame Colin in some way for what happened.  It is not true.  I do not blame him or cite him as a cause.  I have never advanced such an argument.  It is despicable that you should do this and shows that you yourself fall short of the standard that you (rightly, on this occasion) demand of others.

In my opinion, the Forum Moderator should issue a statement reminding members that Colin Caffell was and is a victim (although Colin does not see himself that way, technically that is what he is in the context of this tragedy).  Notwithstanding this, Colin has voluntarily made himself a public figure and this Forum is for discussion of the case against the background of Jeremy Bamber's pleas of innocence; thus, the Moderator should reassure members that measured and informed criticism of Colin is permitted, but any such remarks should be made with a dignified and mature bearing, and with the reputation of the Forum in mind, given that - whatever else may be said about him - in the strict matter of the shootings, Colin is a blameless victim who lost both his sons.

As usual your (sometimes) entertaining posts contain an inherent contradiction within. Colin can write a book and still be a private person. He may have helped others in a similar position. He may have prevented further crimes of a similar nature. He devoted his time to the Elisabeth Kübler-Ross workshops. He does not deserve to be labelled "disingenuous"; neither does he deserve to read that Jeremy Bamber is not a predator.

I will leave it at that for the moment.

[guest29835]

As usual your (sometimes) entertaining posts contain an inherent contradiction within. Colin can write a book and still be a private person. He may have helped others in a similar position. He may have prevented further crimes of a similar nature. He devoted his time to the Elisabeth Kübler-Ross workshops. He does not deserve to be labelled "disingenuous"; neither does he deserve to read that Jeremy Bamber is not a predator.

This post is another example of the strange (and, in view of your claim to be formally educated, ironic) semantic incompetence that you seem to suffer from.  You never seem to be able to use the correct word to get across whatever point you are trying to make. 

Colin is not a private person.  He is a voluntarily public figure who reveals his thoughts and feelings to the whole world and even wrote a book, published twice, revealing his inner-most thoughts to us.  There is no contradiction in pointing that out. 

Notice also, as usual, the unwillingness to actually address a major point of the post, which is that Steve uses the names and suffering of others as a cudgel on this Forum.

What Colin 'deserves' or wants is for Colin.  You are not his representative, Steve.  I only say that any discussion about Colin should be conducted in a proper manner, which I agree has not always been the case on here.   

This is supposed to be a Forum for discussion among adults.  A better tone needs to be set and people like Steve should be told to stick to debating the relevant points instead of attacking people for their views.

I will leave it at that for the moment.

I think you should leave it at that for good.  Your posts do not leave a favourable impression of you as an individual.

It did not escape my notice that you recently started your nonsense again, this time with a returning poster on here, and even NGB1066 saw fit to intervene and challenge you.  As usual, there was no apology for your disgraceful behaviour.

I, for one, have had quite enough of you.