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Offline Adam

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« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2021, 11:40:AM »
JackieD the trial lasted some 6 weeks I believe and it was actually about far more than Julie Mugford.  You post as though this woman single-handedly sealed Bamber's fate.  She didn't! 

What may I ask is your obsession with this prosecution witness?

Supporters support from different angles.

JackieD supports Bamber because Julie identified the twins.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2021, 12:01:PM »
Oh God, here we go with the empty one-liners !

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« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2021, 12:07:PM »
JackieD the trial lasted some 6 weeks I believe and it was actually about far more than Julie Mugford.  You post as though this woman single-handedly sealed Bamber's fate.  She didn't! 

What may I ask is your obsession with this prosecution witness?


Without JM or the silencer the case would not even have gone to trial? Or am I missing something?

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« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2021, 12:21:PM »

Without JM or the silencer the case would not even have gone to trial? Or am I missing something?

Julie Mugford AND the silencer are the most important pieces of evidence against Bamber, yes.  But all trials involve such pieces of evidence.  There's also a mountain of other less important evidence against Bamber which when taken as a whole is quite insurmountable in my opinion. 

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« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2021, 12:24:PM »
Supporters support from different angles.

JackieD supports Bamber because Julie identified the twins.

And then there's David with his diluted period blood theory. 

A gentleman this morning who posts under user name Mike has said new evidence has emerged.  I asked for evidence of the newly emerged evidence but at this moment in time nothing.  :-\

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« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2021, 12:56:PM »
Julie Mugford AND the silencer are the most important pieces of evidence against Bamber, yes.  But all trials involve such pieces of evidence.  There's also a mountain of other less important evidence against Bamber which when taken as a whole is quite insurmountable in my opinion.

I respect your opinion, actually everyone's but take away JM's evidence or the silencer and the case falls in my opinion.

Also as both the silencer and JM's testimony are shrouded in doubt hopefully you can start to see why some think this is a MOJ.

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« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2021, 01:42:PM »
I respect your opinion, actually everyone's but take away JM's evidence or the silencer and the case falls in my opinion.

Also as both the silencer and JM's testimony are shrouded in doubt hopefully you can start to see why some think this is a MOJ.





Exactly Rob, indeed what would there have been ? What with JM's fantasizing and all the bluster and mix-ups with silencers nothing else in the way of hard evidence remained.

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« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2021, 01:49:PM »
Of course there was always JB's dyed hair and dilated pupils that could have created quite a blockbuster of a book or media drama. Or even daring to produce a sickly grin at a funeral. There have been endless " clues " like these of ways how to trap a murderer.

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« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2021, 02:15:PM »
I respect your opinion, actually everyone's but take away JM's evidence or the silencer and the case falls in my opinion.

Also as both the silencer and JM's testimony are shrouded in doubt hopefully you can start to see why some think this is a MOJ.

All criminal cases require at least 2 'slam dunks' to get to trial.  In this case it is the silencer and Julie Mugford.  Bamber has the right to challenge his conviction but so far he has been unsuccessful. 

With respect Rob the fact you see the 'slam dunks' as shrouded in doubt doesn't mean the vast majority do and more importantly the judiciary by way of commission and appeal court. 

Some still think the earth is flat, 9/11 was orchestrated by the US gov and Princess Diana was murdered.  There will always be fringe elements as there in the Bamber case.

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« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2021, 02:31:PM »
And then there's David with his diluted period blood theory. 

A gentleman this morning who posts under user name Mike has said new evidence has emerged.  I asked for evidence of the newly emerged evidence but at this moment in time nothing.  :-\

The newly identified evidence, concerns the fact that exhibit reference 'DB/1', lab' item no. 23, that was submitted by Essex police to Huntingdon Lab' on the 30th August 1985, was not a silencer [afterall], but rather, it was 'a small flake of dried blood' that 'David Boutflour' claims 'to have scraped from the flat surface of a silencers metal end cap' with 'use of a razor blade', which he claims to have kept and held on to, because [in his own words] 'it fascinated him'. Well he didn't keep it (so to speak) since this became exhibit 'DB/1' (lab' item no. 23) that 'Essex police submitted to Huntingdon Lab' on the '30th August 1985' and from which 'the blood grouping evidence' obtained on the '12th', '13th', '18th' and the '19th September 1985', originated - no evidence actually existed to confirm or to establish that any blood group type [allegedly relating solely to 'Sheila'] was found inside silencer 'DRB/1'. Infact the opposite is true![if 'David Boutflours account was to be beleived, then the small dried flake of blood, was found on the outside of the silencer, not the inside of it] It turns out that' this was the method' and 'policy' by which the case against 'Jeremy Bamber' was 'fabricated' , in order to 'get a conviction' which turned out to be 'financially beneficial to relatives' who took part 'in executing the evidence' , as I have described..
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"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2021, 02:52:PM »
The newly identified evidence, concerns the fact that exhibit reference 'DB/1', lab' item no. 23, that was submitted by Essex police to Huntingdon Lab' on the 30th August 1985, was not a silencer [afterall], but rather, it was 'a small flake of dried blood' that 'David Boutflour' claims 'to have scraped from the flat surface of a silencers metal end cap' with 'use of a razor blade', which he claims to have kept and held on to, because [in his own words] 'it fascinated him'. Well he didn't keep it (so to speak) since this became exhibit 'DB/1' (lab' item no. 23) that 'Essex police submitted to Huntingdon Lab' on the '30th August 1985' and from which 'the blood grouping evidence' obtained on the '12th', '13th', '18th' and the '19th September 1985', originated - no evidence actually existed to confirm or to establish that any blood group type [allegedly relating solely to 'Sheila'] was found inside silencer 'DRB/1'. Infact the opposite is true![if 'David Boutflours account was to be beleived, then the small dried flake of blood, was found on the outside of the silencer, not the inside of it] It turns out that' this was the method' and 'policy' by which the case against 'Jeremy Bamber' was 'fabricated' , in order to 'get a conviction' which turned out to be 'financially beneficial to relatives' who took part 'in executing the evidence' , as I have described..

I didn't ask what it concerns sir; I asked for evidence. 

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« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2021, 03:25:PM »
And then there's David with his diluted period blood theory. 

A gentleman this morning who posts under user name Mike has said new evidence has emerged.  I asked for evidence of the newly emerged evidence but at this moment in time nothing.  :-\

Its not just my idea.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1413.msg43900.html#msg43900

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« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2021, 06:27:PM »

You are absolutely crazy!!!! You need help.  You are now trying to blame Jeremy for Mugfords 13 separate  cheque frauds

Please provide proof or is this something you have made up in your warped mindset
What a Freudian slip. You used the exact words Stan Jones said to Jeremy Bamber after the 10th September interview. The cheque book fraud is on page 192 here: https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1932.msg59875.html#msg59875

I'll let members make up their own minds as to their relevance to five murders.

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« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2021, 07:03:PM »
Strange woman. At the mention of " killing the parents " JM remained staying with JB, whereas any other woman would either have got out of the relationship or at least told the police what had been said ?

Hadn't JM learned her lesson in violence when she was allegedly raped while in France, working ? Did she report that ?