Author Topic: Evidence relatives dismantled silencer & Robert Boutflour's blood contaminated?  (Read 6672 times)

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Offline Rob_

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AE wouldn't have such a sick idea in the first place. Partly because it was impossible to do.

Even the CT agree. Agreeing it is human blood matching Sheila's. But claiming RB put his own blood inside!

She must be quite tough, I could never live in a house where five people had be killed. I would have pulled it down.

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Muzzle imprints on Sheila's chin.
Absence of Bone, Skin, Blood or DNA from Nicholas Caffell inside the silencer.
Marks on Nevills back and arm.
Absence of debris under the mantle shelf.
Pathologists testimony precluding such altercation causing the scratch marks.



"34. The evidence of Dr Fowler is set out in a more substantial report.  That report has been peer reviewed by Dr Dragovich, who is Chief Medical Examiner in Oakland County, Michigan and Dr Marcella Fierro, who is the retired Chief Medical Examiner to the Commonwealth of Virginia.  Both have qualifications as forensic pathologists.  In his careful report, Dr Fowler makes clear that he has reviewed the evidence, which was available in relation to the wounds.  He concluded that the abrasions found were consistent with those of a rifle without a silencer, that there were no distinctive marks on the body which showed that a silencer had been attached, and the residue was consistent with contact wounds."


"Mark Thomas: Now you've looked at the photograph's
Philip Boyce: I have.
Mark Thomas: These are of Sheila's Injuries.
Philip Boyce: I have.
Mark Thomas: Which would you say is the most likely to have occurred?
Philip Boyce: Based on my examination of the wounds in the photographs.And the tests that i have just done. I'm of the opinion that the contact wounds to Sheila's chin. Was contact without the silencer fitted.
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Offline David1819

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She must be quite tough, I could never live in a house where five people had be killed. I would have pulled it down.

Anyone with a pair of hands can unscrew the end cap of a silencer and put blood inside it.

Offline Adam

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It is strange that David is so determined to claim that the relatives achieved the impossible in a very short timespan. Let alone have the idea & make the attempt in the first place.

However he refuses to address any of the massive obstacles they would have.

But that's Bamber supporters for you.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

Offline David1819

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It is strange that David is so determined to claim that the relatives achieved the impossible in a very short timespan. Let alone have the idea & make the attempt in the first place.

However he refuses to address any of the massive obstacles they would have.

But that's Bamber supporters for you.

Impossible in the world of Adam has no bearings in reality. A Gish Gallop of bullshit is hardly a "massive obstacle".

Offline Adam

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Impossible in the world of Adam has no bearings in reality. A Gish Gallop of bullshit is hardly a "massive obstacle".

There he goes again.

Hopefully Rob will address them. As requested just now. Although I am not very optimistic. He only addressed 4 of my 34 flaws in his Sheila scenario!
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'Only I know what really happened that night'.

Offline Adam

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The CT can make insinuations & not have to answer questions. Even their podcasts have the commenrs turned off.

Supporters on forums are not so fortunate.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Ann Eaton told the Jury this in regards to her understanding of the silencer.

"At the time I did not know whether it was rabbit blood or what. and I thought the jewellery was the most important thing, turns out I was wrong."

This is a lie. Because the previous year her account on the same subject was as follows.

"We discussed the implication of how this silencer could be in the gun cupboard with blood and paint on it. Obviously if it was being alleged that somebody had had a brainstorm and shot dead four people they would surely not have stopped to remove the silencer, put it back in the gun cupboard, go back upstairs and shoot herself dead. Contact was made with the police about the discovery of the blood and paint stained silencer."

Ann Eaton told the court she thought it was rabbits blood.

RIVLIN: How could you imagine that the blood at the end of the silencer might be a rabbits blood?
ANN EATON: I don't know.
RIVLIN: That is what you told the court. How could you imagine that it might be a rabbits blood?
ANN EATON: Jeremy said he had been shooting rabbits the night before.


However Jeremy said he did not get a chance to shoot them. . Ann Eaton knew Jeremy said this and wrote this in her notes. Hence her answer "Jeremy said he had been shooting rabbits the night before." as for why she thought rabbit blood was on the silencer is clearly a lie.

Furthermore if she did indeed think it was rabbit blood and had no importance why did she report it to the police in the first place?

ARLIDGE: As a result of that being found, were police contacted?
ANN EATON: Yes, Witham Police
ARLIDGE: Do you know the date on which that took place?
ANN EATON: Saturday night.
ARLIDGE: That very evening?
ANN EATON: Yes.
MR. Justice Drake: (To the witness): Q: Who actually contacted them?
ANN EATON: It was probably me, but I cannot remember, but Witham Police were contacted.


The full story of Shelia's bloody underwear

ARLIDGE: What did you do with them in the end? Do they still exist?
ANN EATON: No we decided to put them in the rubbish bin in the kitchen.


This is called lying by omission. In 1991 Ann Eaton admits taking the bloody knickers back to Oak Farm.

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It is strange that David is so determined to claim that the relatives achieved the impossible in a very short timespan. Let alone have the idea & make the attempt in the first place.

However he refuses to address any of the massive obstacles they would have.

But that's Bamber supporters for you.






A " short time-span ?". They had the run of the damn place, even telling the police what to do and when a couple of officers objected, the relatives complained to the higher-ups saying that EP weren't doing their job properly !

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The CT can make insinuations & not have to answer questions. Even their podcasts have the commenrs turned off.

Supporters on forums are not so fortunate.




You can't help your snide comments, can you ? Though it's been par for the course here with guilters.

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A " short time-span ?". They had the run of the damn place, even telling the police what to do and when a couple of officers objected, the relatives complained to the higher-ups saying that EP weren't doing their job properly !

Feel free to address my obstacles regarding the relatives fabricating the silencer.

David can't.

I have asked Rob earlier & so far got no reply.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

Offline Adam

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David thinks he can put posts in bold & red & that will make a difference.

His last post is basically AE saying she thought the blood on/in the silencer could be rabbits blood. That is what the rifle was used for!
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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For Lookout to address.

David can't. Rob so far has not.

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The relatives would need to know -

Is Bamber innocent.

Sheila's arm lenght.

The rifle lenght with silencer.

Could Sheila have shot herself with the silencer attached.

What back splatter is.

Who of the 5 deceased received contact shots.

What locations would contact shots need to be to produce back splatter.

Where were the contact shots on the 5 deceased. 

Is there any other forensic evidence against Sheila.

Was there a silencer next to Sheila.

How to realistically put blood into a silencer.

Where was Sheila's blood to insert into a silencer.

Did the rifle barrell already have blood on/in.

Did the crime scene photos show an unscratched aga.

Had the police already checked all silencers at WHF.

The chance of this one piece of framed evidence getting a conviction.

The punishment if caught doing this.

Confidence in each other that none would succumb to police pressure.

Sheila's blood group.

The blood group of each other.

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This had to be found out very quickly. Providing they have the idea & decide to go ahead
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Feel free to address my obstacles regarding the relatives fabricating the silencer.

David can't.

I have asked Rob earlier & so far got no reply.





Because you don't listen to the DOCUMENTED podcasts you won't be aware of how the scratched paintwork came about. I wouldn't snigger if I were you until you learn what happened. It's in the laps of the CCRC at present. This is from the 370,000 documents which were withheld. 

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Because you don't listen to the DOCUMENTED podcasts you won't be aware of how the scratched paintwork came about. I wouldn't snigger if I were you until you learn what happened. It's in the laps of the CCRC at present. This is from the 370,000 documents which were withheld.

Would rather go by the judge -

'The aga paint on the silencer means it was used during the massacre'.

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However what is the podcast saying?
'Only I know what really happened that night'.