New theory regarding angle of 4 fatal shots to 'Neville Bambers' head/skull...

[Bubo bubo]

I would like to express my thoughts about this suggestion. As far as the silencer is concerned I do not see the need for a third silencer. Even if the police had both AP's and JB's SM's they could have returned JB's to the family at any time once Ainsley was in charge. A lot would depend on how the creation of the faked/recreated silencer was organised. I do not believe it was all done by the family or the police but rather a joint enterprise. Clearly only the police could manipulate the paper work to suit. However if the length was an issue they would need an older SM to effect the switch, since JB's would be smaller. A third would be needed if JB's was at the lab and could not be retrieved for some reason.
I do not believe that Nevill was alive at entry. (see my Kitchen Capers thread) However, I do not rule out the police firing additional rounds into the deceased and set out some circumstances which might have led to such actions in that same thread.

[mike tesko]

I would like to express my thoughts about this suggestion. As far as the silencer is concerned I do not see the need for a third silencer. Even if the police had both AP's and JB's SM's they could have returned JB's to the family at any time once Ainsley was in charge. A lot would depend on how the creation of the faked/recreated silencer was organised. I do not believe it was all done by the family or the police but rather a joint enterprise. Clearly only the police could manipulate the paper work to suit. However if the length was an issue they would need an older SM to effect the switch, since JB's would be smaller. A third would be needed if JB's was at the lab and could not be retrieved for some reason.
I do not believe that Nevill was alive at entry. (see my Kitchen Capers thread) However, I do not rule out the police firing additional rounds into the deceased and set out some circumstances which might have led to such actions in this same thread.

I think that three different parker hale silencers were used [interchangeable] in the framing of 'Jeremy Bamber' by evidence put forward by the prosecutions case - confirmed in my view, by the fact that on the first day of trial [2nd October 1986], there was a silencer[court exhibit no. 9] and that an 'Essex police motor cycle outrider', visited the home of the relatives and collected two further, examples of 'parker hale silencers' to Chelmsford Crown court just in case the defendant or his legal system had fathomed out exactly how the police and others, had gone about setting 'Jeremy Bamber' up to take a fall by nominating him as the killer of five members of his family, when  If the truth beknown, 'Jeremy' had killed  no-one..

[Aunt Agatha]

Q: are you saying that you suspect Sheila started the shootings and the police ended them?

One or the other, maybe, but both of them?

Why?

I can understand an outsider failing to complete his instructions and a certain officer (with instruction) ensuring that the job was completed and made to look like a deranged marksman (Jeremy) took the shots.

[mike tesko]

Q: are you saying that you suspect Sheila started the shootings and the police ended them?

One or the other, maybe, but both of them?

Why?

I can understand an outsider failing to complete his instructions and a certain officer (with instruction) ensuring that the job was completed and made to look like a deranged marksman (Jeremy) took the shots.

I BELIEVE that evidence exists to suggest that  the overhaul of the five dea

Q: are you saying that you suspect Sheila started the shootings and the police ended them?

One or the other, maybe, but both of them?

Why?

I can understand an outsider failing to complete his instructions and a certain officer (with instruction) ensuring that the job was completed and made to look like a deranged marksman (Jeremy) took the shots.

The family, were visited by drug supplying gang members, but 'unbeknown to themselves' , they were being 'monitored' [lets just say] by 'the security services' and 'followed on land' , and 'by air' [movements videod from above with use of 'a two seater aeroplane'. Once the security team realised that their target had gone directly to whf, they commandeered the support of Essex police officers [including the 'tfg' to attend the scene] who arrived there just to late to witness any of the shootings which had taken place inside the farmhouse at that stage...

However, upon arrival at the scene by 'PC Myall' and possibly 'DC Henderson' they both saw an unidentified male person walking away from the farmhouse, who 'PC Myall' attempted to pursue cautiously without success. Whilst this wasongoing, 'DC Henderson' took the opportunity to enter the farmhouse by the route the 'unidentified male' had recently left by. Thereafter, the occupants of 'CA07' arrived on the scene (3.48 am) at which stage 'PC Myall' told 'PS Bews' and 'PS Saxby' exactly what he had witnessed, and suspected. It was at some point afterwards that 'Jeremy' arrived at the scene (3.52am), and the three officers approached him altogether...

Meanwhile, 'DC Hendrson' had managed to find hiding places within tge farmhouse whilt gathering intelligence for the knowledge and benefit of a team of well-rehurst firearm officers...

[killingeve]

Bearing in mind that 'Nevill Bamber' was supposedly shot, either by 'Sheila', 'Jeremy','or some third party involvement', it is worth taking into account the angle, direction, position of 'Neville Bambers' body at the time he received that 'tightly knit volley' of 'four fatal head shots' ..

Since, those four consecutively fired shots could not in my opinion have been fired with such accuracy and precision, by bullets or pellets that were fired from any of the three general types of. 22 firearm known to be present at the scene. Everything points to 'the use of an automatic weapon being used', similarly to shots fired into one of the child victims in this tragedy..

All agreed at trial the murderer was either Jeremy or Sheila.  There's no evidence whatsover of third party involvement including accidental shootings by the police.

All bullets recovered were Eley subsonic .22 and markings on them matched rifling from the Anshutz.  There's no evidence whasover of any other firearm involved in the shootings. 

[Adam]

All agreed at trial the murderer was either Jeremy or Sheila.  There's no evidence whatsover of third party involvement including accidental shootings by the police.

All bullets recovered were Eley subsonic .22 and markings on them matched rifling from the Anshutz.  There's no evidence whasover of any other firearm involved in the shootings.

All bullets recovered were Eley subsonic .22 and markings on them matched rifling from the Anshutz.  There's no evidence whasover of any other firearm involved in the shootings. 

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I'm not sure how the police could end up shooting June. As claimed on here.

The rifle was laying in top of Sheila!

[lookout]

All bullets recovered were Eley subsonic .22 and markings on them matched rifling from the Anshutz.  There's no evidence whasover of any other firearm involved in the shootings.

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I'm not sure how the police could end up shooting June. As claimed on here.

The rifle was laying in top of Sheila!

Because the rifle was on top of Sheila doesn't mean or say that it hadn't been placed there by someone.
It was initially found by the side of her body.

[killingeve]

Because the rifle was on top of Sheila doesn't mean or say that it hadn't been placed there by someone.
It was initially found by the side of her body.

It was placed there by someone, BAMBER!

Please provide a source that the rifle was initially found by the side of Sheila's body.

Can you please start to post sources for your claims or make clear that it is your opinion only and you don't have a source.  If you are unable or unwilling to do so I will report you to the moderator for flooding the board with unsubstainated claims.

[lookout]

It was placed there by someone, BAMBER!

Please provide a source that the rifle was initially found by the side of Sheila's body.

Can you please start to post sources for your claims or make clear that it is your opinion only and you don't have a source.  If you are unable or unwilling to do so I will report you to the moderator for flooding the board with unsubstainated claims.

And you would know that JB placed the rifle there ??

Report all you like !!

[Adam]

It was placed there by someone, BAMBER!

Please provide a source that the rifle was initially found by the side of Sheila's body.

Can you please start to post sources for your claims or make clear that it is your opinion only and you don't have a source.  If you are unable or unwilling to do so I will report you to the moderator for flooding the board with unsubstainated claims.

It may be time that Lookout received a short term ban.

Nine years is a long time to flood the forum with wild claims & not provide one source. She is not as aggressive as JackieD but certainly no angle.

[lookout]

It may be time that Lookout received a short term ban.

Nine years is a long time to flood the forum with wildclaims & not provide one source. She is not as aggressive as JackieD but certainly no angle.

You won't get rid of me that easily !

[Roch]

It was placed there by someone, BAMBER!

Please provide a source that the rifle was initially found by the side of Sheila's body.

Can you please start to post sources for your claims or make clear that it is your opinion only and you don't have a source.  If you are unable or unwilling to do so I will report you to the moderator for flooding the board with unsubstainated claims.

TFG COLP statements. One had no recollection of a rifle at all - which is quite alarming, given that the officer in question had been sent in to the house, armed with a gun, for the purpose of tracking down and neutralising Sheila Caffell, who was suspected of being armed herself and of being involved in a shooting incident, in which she was the aggressor. 

They raised serious concerns individually and as a team, regarding Sheila's crime scene having been tampered with. The defence did not know this until after the 2002 appeal.

[killingeve]

And you would know that JB placed the rifle there ??

Report all you like !!

The defence and prosecution agree on certain aspects of the case eg the rifle was found across Sheila's body as depicted in scene of crime images.  If someone here wants to reject this then surely you will appreciate it is good practice to either provide a source showing where we are all wrong or state that it is simply your own opinion and you do not have a source.  I for one am not remotely interested in wild fantasises and theories that in reality have no basis to them.  But I accept you have a right to post your opinions if you point out they are your opinions only and that you do not have a source.

A couple of days ago you claimed Sheila's fist caused June's black eye.  I asked you for a source which you failed to provide.  I then turned up the pathologist's trial testimony showing the bruising was in fact caused by gunshot injury.  You did not attempt to apolgise for your mistake or thank me for providing the source showing you were wrong.

[Adam]

The defence and prosecution agree on certain aspects of the case eg the rifle was found across Sheila's body as depicted in scene of crime images.  If someone here wants to reject this then surely you will appreciate it is good practice to either provide a source showing where we are all wrong or state that it is simply your own opinion and you do not have a source.  I for one am not remotely interested in wild fantasises and theories that in reality have no basis to them.  But I accept you have a right to post your opinions if you point out they are your opinions only and that you do not have a source.

A couple of days ago you claimed Sheila's fist caused June's black eye.  I asked you for a source which you failed to provide.  I then turned up the pathologist's trial testimony showing the bruising was in fact caused by gunshot injury.  You did not attempt to apolgise for your mistake or thank me for providing the source showing you were wrong.

I then turned up the pathologist's trial testimony showing the bruising was in fact caused by gunshot injury.  

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I didn't know that. Some of June's shots were near the eye.

Lookout will automatically defend any post from guilters. None of her posts will have sources.

[lookout]

The defence and prosecution agree on certain aspects of the case eg the rifle was found across Sheila's body as depicted in scene of crime images.  If someone here wants to reject this then surely you will appreciate it is good practice to either provide a source showing where we are all wrong or state that it is simply your own opinion and you do not have a source.  I for one am not remotely interested in wild fantasises and theories that in reality have no basis to them.  But I accept you have a right to post your opinions if you point out they are your opinions only and that you do not have a source.

A couple of days ago you claimed Sheila's fist caused June's black eye.  I asked you for a source which you failed to provide.  I then turned up the pathologist's trial testimony showing the bruising was in fact caused by gunshot injury.  You did not attempt to apolgise for your mistake or thank me for providing the source showing you were wrong.

So it's now become a banning offence to write down your own thoughts ? Since when ?

I did not make a mistake about the black eye as June had suffered one prior to the murders. Then I happened to say that June could have walked into Sheila's fist, not " that it caused it " which are two different things so if you're training to become a lawyer you've got a lot to learn !!

 Your fault for being de-humanised. If you can't tell the difference between fact and fiction, then you're not as clever as I thought, especially as this case swings between the two !

I don't apologise nor bow and scrape for something I haven't done ! It's not my fault if you've got an accusatory disposition, you'll have to work on it.