Updated Bamber scenario. Matching crime scene evidence.

[Steve_uk]

People who are paranoid have a heightened fear of danger so I don't think she would just lie down unless sedated. How the shot to Sheila was done is a mystery to me if it was not suicide?

It was this that got me interested in the case watching the WHF series.

She was told to lie down and whilst doing so the first shot hit her under the chin. She involuntarily touched that area with fingers, then the second report rang out and killed her instantly. No mystery involved.

[Rob_]

She was told to lie down and whilst doing so the first shot hit her under the chin. She involuntarily touched that area with fingers, then the second report rang out and killed her instantly. No mystery involved.

If you are happy with that scenario that's fine with me, I have a different view that's all.

[lookout]

Two rifles were in play that night. One with a chunk out of it and the other placed on Sheila.
One contained 10 bullets, the other contained 15.

[JackieD]

She wasn't "all there" as most members here know.



She

 might

just have taken Jeremy's hand those last few confusing seconds, led across the landing  like a lamb to the slaughter to fulfil the dreams of an unscrupulous conman, who later that morning thought only of a Porsche motor car as he chuckled behind closed doors.

Exactly ‘she might’ you admit you don’t know and you believe it’s ok for Jeremy to be incarcerated for his whole life although there is no evidence available except for the testimony of the wicked prolific liar and thief, bunny boiler Mugford

[JackieD]

Steve remind me of all the crimes Mugford committed compared to Jeremy

13 different occasions of cheque book frauds

Before she suggested to Jeremy to rob the caravan park

[JackieD]

She was told to lie down and whilst doing so the first shot hit her under the chin. She involuntarily touched that area with fingers, then the second report rang out and killed her instantly. No mystery involved.

Please provide proof of this or are you just plain twisted like Mugford

[Steve_uk]

Exactly ‘she might’ you admit you don’t know and you believe it’s ok for Jeremy to be incarcerated for his whole life although there is no evidence available except for the testimony of the wicked prolific liar and thief, bunny boiler Mugford

She might have taken Jeremy's hand or she might have been led at gunpoint. Talking about Freudian slips mentioned on another thread we are told one Christmas Sheila came into Jeremy's bedroom in the dead of night and woke him up, whereupon they proceeded downstairs to open their presents.

[lookout]

Steve, a lot of water went under the bridge since Sheila's day as a child at Christmas.

[Rob_]

She might have taken Jeremy's hand or she might have been led at gunpoint. Talking about Freudian slips mentioned on another thread we are told one Christmas Sheila came into Jeremy's bedroom in the dead of night and woke him up, whereupon they proceeded downstairs to open their presents.

Why is mentioning this a Freudian slip Steve? sounds quite charming to me.

[Steve_uk]

Steve, a lot of water went under the bridge since Sheila's day as a child at Christmas.

Maybe lookout but was the seed planted at that early stage?

[lookout]

Maybe lookout but was the seed planted at that early stage?

I doubt it somehow.

[Steve_uk]

Why is mentioning this a Freudian slip Steve? sounds quite charming to me.

Because Jeremy's defence team (don't ask me to name names because he's been through so many) evidently exhorted him to recall details of his childhood to buttress his case, hoping that this wallowing in spurious sentimentality would detract from the heinousness of the five discrete crimes. In my opinion this backfired when the one salient fact I quoted emerged: a Freudian slip if ever there was one.

[Adam]

Cycle to WHF:

Evidence - June's bike brought over to Bamber's cottage just before massacre.  Easy journey. Unseen.


Get into WHF

Evidence - Bathroom window loose or open. Quiet ground floor entrance. Bamber said he knew how to get in through this window.

Pick up rifle:

Evidence ' Rifle available as stated by Bamber.


Fire one bullet into each twin.

Evidence - Julie said the twins were shot first.


Enter main bedroom:

Evidence - Two adults in this room who must be killed with remaining 9 bullets as potential to provide most resistance.


Shoot an in bed June and Neville:

Evidence - 9 shots were fired in the main bedroom opening salvo suggesting rifle was emptied in opening salvo.   June and Neville shot in or near the bed.


Go to reload or chase Neville:

Evidence - Spare bullets found in kitchen. Neville found in kitchen.


Kitchen fight:

Evidence - Neville was brutally beaten there.  Upturned and smashed kitchen items. Scratch marks on aga.


Reload, shoot and kill a knocked out Neville:

Evidence - Four kitchen head shots into Neville.


Reload. Return upstairs:

Evidence - All other shots upstairs.


Shoot June twice more:

Evidence - June had moved a few feet. Final shots required. Two of June's 7 shots would have killed her quickly.


Shoot the sleeping twins more times

Evidence - Twins shot 8 times in bed. Amount of bullets used shows two reloads carried out on the night.


Either wake and shoot or shoot an already awake Sheila:

Evidence - Sheila found shot in the corner of main bedroom. Sheila on Haloperidol so easy to control.


Go downstairs to check on Nevill

Evidence - Nevill was downstairs.


Remove & replace silencer. Move Nevill. Burn his back.

Evidence - Silencer with Sheila's blood & aga paint on/in found in cupboard. Nevill's back burnt. Nevill lifted onto coal scuttle.


Stage the scene:

Evidence - Gun and bible by Sheila.


Exit out of kitchen window:


Evidence - Twenty sources say it can be banged shut from outside. Housekeeper said items moved by kitchen window.on night of massacre.


Cycle home:

Evidence - Bike found at Bambers cottage

QC just posted -

Your scenario is wrong anyway, as it is contradicted by the blood and pathological evidence. 

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Look forward to being given details.

[Adam]

The scenario was last updated 4/10/21.

[guest29835]

The scenario was last updated 4/10/21.

Thanks Adam.  I don't know where I would be without your scenarios and moral support via the PM system.  I'd probably still be on Tollesbury Road in my windsurfing gear, wondering how Jeremy had managed it all.