New bullet allocation order relating to silencer in gun cupboard.

[Adam]

Possibilities -

Bamber took silencer off upstairs. He had to go downstairs to check on signs of life from Nevill. So took both rifle & silencer with him. Replacing silencer prior to burning Nevill's back.

He went downstairs with rifle & silencer attached. Then took off &  replaced silencer in the gun cupboard prior to burning Nevill's back.

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Both of these match Bamber's CCRC submission that Nevill's back was burnt minus silencer. Together with explaining why silencer was found in gun cupboard.

[Adam]

After shooting Sheila twice, it is likely Bamber went downstairs with silencer still attached to rifle.

He wanted to check on Nevill & see if he needed any more shots.

After deciding not to fire any more shots, he decided to burn Nevill's back. Removing & replacing the silencer beforehand in the gun cupboard which was a few feet away. 

He was never going to take the detached silencer back upstairs. Why include it in the crime scene?

[Adam]

Everyone agrees Nevill's back was burnt after all shots had been fired.

This means after his final shots, Bamber went downstairs with silencer attached to rifle.

He then removed the silencer & replaced it in it's box a few feet away in the gun cupboard, prior to burning Nevill's back.

[Adam]

Bamber would not want a silencer at the crime scene. For several reasons.

If he became a suspect, the police would say a silencer would be used in a silent massacre attempt.

[Adam]

Besides which he almost certainly took the silencer off downstairs. A few feet from the gun cupboard.

[Adam]

I disagree with my thread post. My original scenario from years ago still stands.

Regarding the silencer -

Bamber shot Sheila twice.

He went downstairs with silencer attached to rifle. To see if Nevill needed more shots.

In the kitchen he decided not to re load, but burn Nevill's back. The silencer was removed & returned to the gun cupboard a few feet away, prior to the back burning.

He then returned upstairs & put the rifle onto Sheila.

[guest29835]

Bamber would not want a silencer at the crime scene. For several reasons.

If he became a suspect, the police would say a silencer would be used in a silent massacre attempt.

But surely Sheila could have used the silencer and then taken it off to shoot herself, leaving the silencer by her body.  That, to me, seems the more likely method for staging her suicide.

Taking a step back, we know that the rifle did not fit in the gun cupboard with the silencer on.  It follows that anybody returning the rifle to the house would unscrew the silencer, but we also know that Jeremy says he went out to shoot rabbits.  One argument is that Jeremy would keep the silencer on in that situation in order to be able to kill as many rabbits as possible.  The other argument is that he would take it off so that the audible crack of the rifle would scare them away.  It's also the case that the silencer could plausibly be off the rifle because, if it had to be unscrewed to fit it in the gun cupboard, somebody could absent-mindedly leave the silencer behind.  So we're left with uncertainty. 

I would normally go with the prosecution argument because the 'silent massacre' theory makes sense, and Jeremy could have miscalculated the staging and then panicked and returned the silencer to the gun cupboard, thinking it would then be out of the way but at the same time could be accounted-for, thus averting suspicion.  It would have been simpler and better to leave the silencer by her body, but the simpler solutions aren't always apparent in a situation like that. 

The difficulty is that to return the silencer to the gun cupboard, Jeremy needed to cross the back corridor and the floor of the den, and there is no blood there.  There is also no blood on the door of the gun cupboard or inside the gun cupboard (other than in and on the silencer itself).  How can that be?

The police also checked the gun cupboard and did not find the silencer in there.

Jeremy also allowed the relatives free access to the farmhouse, and must have known they would seize this evidence.

It doesn't add up.  The evidence points away from the gun cupboard, not to it.  It's at least a basis for reasonable doubt, in my view.

[Adam]

The police also checked the gun cupboard and did not find the silencer in there.

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You know that is not what happened.

[Adam]

Jeremy also allowed the relatives free access to the farmhouse, and must have known they would seize this evidence.

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Stan Jones asked AE to do a tidy up & gave her the keys.

Bamber was on holiday.

[guest29835]

The police also checked the gun cupboard and did not find the silencer in there.

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You know that is not what happened.

That is literally what happened.

Your case is that the silencer was part of the murder weapon and it was sticky and had blood on the exterior steel housing and inside it, yet the police examined the gun cupboard and did not find it, and you cannot explain this.

[Adam]

But surely Sheila could have used the silencer and then taken it off to shoot herself, leaving the silencer by her body.  That, to me, seems the more likely method for staging her suicide.

Taking a step back, we know that the rifle did not fit in the gun cupboard with the silencer on.  It follows that anybody returning the rifle to the house would unscrew the silencer, but we also know that Jeremy says he went out to shoot rabbits.  One argument is that Jeremy would keep the silencer on in that situation in order to be able to kill as many rabbits as possible.  The other argument is that he would take it off so that the audible crack of the rifle would scare them away.  It's also the case that the silencer could plausibly be off the rifle because, if it had to be unscrewed to fit it in the gun cupboard, somebody could absent-mindedly leave the silencer behind.  So we're left with uncertainty. 

I would normally go with the prosecution argument because the 'silent massacre' theory makes sense, and Jeremy could have miscalculated the staging and then panicked and returned the silencer to the gun cupboard, thinking it would then be out of the way but at the same time could be accounted-for, thus averting suspicion.  It would have been simpler and better to leave the silencer by her body, but the simpler solutions aren't always apparent in a situation like that. 

The difficulty is that to return the silencer to the gun cupboard, Jeremy needed to cross the back corridor and the floor of the den, and there is no blood there.  There is also no blood on the door of the gun cupboard or inside the gun cupboard (other than in and on the silencer itself).  How can that be?

The police also checked the gun cupboard and did not find the silencer in there.

Jeremy also allowed the relatives free access to the farmhouse, and must have known they would seize this evidence.

It doesn't add up.  The evidence points away from the gun cupboard, not to it.  It's at least a basis for reasonable doubt, in my view.

The difficulty is that to return the silencer to the gun cupboard, Jeremy needed to cross the back corridor and the floor of the den, and there is no blood there.  There is also no blood on the door of the gun cupboard or inside the gun cupboard (other than in and on the silencer itself).  How can that be?

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Why would there be blood. Was Bamber bleeding.

Have you got a source. Thought the carpets were removed.

[Adam]

That is literally what happened.

Your case is that the silencer was part of the murder weapon and it was sticky and had blood on the exterior steel housing and inside it, yet the police examined the gun cupboard and did not find it, and you cannot explain this.

They didn't open boxes in the gun cupboard. Why would they?

Bamber said the rifle came with silencer.

[David1819]

That is literally what happened.

Your case is that the silencer was part of the murder weapon and it was sticky and had blood on the exterior steel housing and inside it, yet the police examined the gun cupboard and did not find it, and you cannot explain this.

Four officers had checked the gun cupboard, but we don't know how thoroughly they checked it.

[guest29835]

Four officers had checked the gun cupboard, but we don't know how thoroughly they checked it.

What were they checking for, then? Porn mags?

[Adam]

Anyway there is a concensus with guilters, supporters & Bamber -

All agree a silent massacre attempt would be done with silencer.

All agree Nevill's back would be burnt after all shots had been fired.

All agree there is a possibility Nevill's back burns were inflicted minus silencer. It was even the basis of the 2012 CCRC submission.

All agree Bamber taking the silencer with him back to his cottage is the least likely scenario.

Whoever was shot last. Bamber then went to check on Nevill. With rifle & attached silencer as more shots may be needed. 

After deciding not to re load. It was decided to move Nevill and burn his back.

Prior to burning Nevill's back, the silencer was removed. It was put back in it's box at the back of the gun cupboard, which was a few feet away.