THE SILENCER SAGA

[Bubo bubo]

COLP obtained them in 1991. Yes, they were used at the 2002 appeal. In relation to phone call times and the mess in the kitchen.

It seems to me that she was possibly 'shitting' herself  because she had to ensure that her notes tallied with her previous statements. This in my opinion is probably the reason for her stress and sleepless nights rather than old memories being stirred and causing distress. It still does not mean that these notes have any validity. Most of them probably support the trial verdict.

[David1819]

It seems to me that she was possibly 'shitting' herself  because she had to ensure that her notes tallied with her previous statements. This in my opinion is probably the reason for her stress and sleepless nights rather than old memories being stirred and causing distress. It still does not mean that these notes have any validity. Most of them probably support the trial verdict.

You can actually learn a lot from these notes. One aspect being the crime scene information that is part true and part false. This same information is in Jeremys alleged confessions to Julie. Coincidentally the correct parts and factually incorrect parts.

We can also ascertain that Julie disclosed details about the bodies to Ann after the they visited the mortuary.

I find the claim that the police making her "relive" the events causing her emotional strain rather dubious. Considering she is living in the crime scene and preserving it. Moreover she had no problem taking the ITV camera crew round the house and going over the same event for a TV documentary.

[Bubo bubo]

You can actually learn a lot from these notes. One aspect being the crime scene information that is part true and part false. This same information is in Jeremys alleged confessions to Julie. Coincidentally the correct parts and factually incorrect parts.

We can also ascertain that Julie disclosed details about the bodies to Ann after the they visited the mortuary.

I find the claim that the police making her "relive" the events causing her emotional strain rather dubious. Considering she is living in the crime scene and preserving it. Moreover she had no problem taking the ITV camera crew round the house and going over the same event for a TV documentary.

Can you explain the first paragraph. We know JM told AE about the viewing of the bodies. What was said is dubious because they are both consummate liars IMO. I do not rule out some collusion between them shortly before JM came forward and in the lead up to trial.

[David1819]

Can you explain the first paragraph. We know JM told AE about the viewing of the bodies. What was said is dubious because they are both consummate liars IMO. I do not rule out some collusion between them shortly before JM came forward and in the lead up to trial.

For example, The twins being shot asleep is written in AEs notes. This is a fact of the crime that appears in Jeremy's alleged confession to Julie.

Also written is AEs notes is Sheila's body being found on the bed with the bible on her chest. This is a factual inaccuracy of the crime that also appears in Jeremy's alleged confession to Julie.

See the significance?

[Adam]

Things Julie could have only got from Bamber -

Low house insurance.

Bible by Sheila.

Sheila's shot locations.

Kitchen fight.

Twins asleep.

Sheila putting up no resistance.

Nevill's multiple shots.

June shot in bed.

Kitchen windows.

Portable phone.

Meissen clock.

Twins shot first.

Sheila shot last.

June's sleeping pills.

Sheila & the twins sleeping in different rooms on different nights.

Kitchen argument.

Shooting rabbits.

Sheila shot on parents bed.

Matthew Macdonald

[Adam]

Why would AE tell Julie anything? Julie would alert Bamber.

Julie & Bamber were not around most of the time. In London, Holland, Pevensey, Eastbourne etc. So no way AE could contact her.

[Bubo bubo]

For example, The twins being shot asleep is written in AEs notes. This is a fact of the crime that appears in Jeremy's alleged confession to Julie.

Also written is AEs notes is Sheila's body being found on the bed with the bible on her chest. This is a factual inaccuracy of the crime that also appears in Jeremy's alleged confession to Julie.

See the significance?

As I said there appears to be collusion. AE is feeding Julie with information given by SJ. When the twins were shot is anybody's guess. No one can say for sure, including the police.

[Adam]

Maybe Bamber gave Julie information.

They had been together for 18 months.

He did ring her 3 times in 7 hours & get a police car to pick her up. Then spend the next month with her.

[Bubo bubo]

As I said there appears to be collusion. AE is feeding Julie with information given by SJ. When the twins were shot is anybody's guess. No one can say for sure, including the police.

Perhaps you should read my take on JM again.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10693.msg493790.html#msg493790

It could be AE who spooked her.

[David1819]

Things Julie could have only got from Bamber -

Low house insurance.

Bible by Sheila.

Sheila's shot locations.

Kitchen fight.

Twins asleep.

Sheila putting up no resistance.

Nevill's multiple shots.

June shot in bed.

Kitchen windows.

Portable phone.

Meissen clock.

Twins shot first.

Sheila shot last.

June's sleeping pills.

Sheila & the twins sleeping in different rooms on different nights.

Kitchen argument.

Shooting rabbits.

Sheila shot on parents bed.

Matthew Macdonald

Half of this stuff is in AEs notes, she was listening over Bamber giving his statement.  McDonald was brought up by RWB in a meeting with Barlow.

Adam you are a bit of a joke.

[Adam]

Half of this stuff is in AEs notes, she was listening over Bamber giving his statement.  McDonald was brought up by RWB in a meeting with Barlow.

Adam you are a bit of a joke.

Diluted period blood.

David, you are a bit of a 'sick' joke.

Half the stuff. Exactly.

Why would AE tell Julie anything?

When would AE tell Julie anything? She was with Bamber for a month. Outside of Essex.

[David1819]

Perhaps you should read my take on JM again.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10693.msg493790.html#msg493790

It could be AE who spooked her.

Sherlock made some good observations, if you want to read.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8845.msg422542.html#msg422542

[Adam]

Sherlock made some good observations, if you want to read.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8845.msg422542.html#msg422542

NGB's posts from 2011. Sherlock's posts from 2017.

David you are a bit of a troll.

[Jane]

Can you explain the first paragraph. We know JM told AE about the viewing of the bodies. What was said is dubious because they are both consummate liars IMO. I do not rule out some collusion between them shortly before JM came forward and in the lead up to trial.

Exactly why would she not have? Forget what you claim to be their motives. Forget that you want to believe Julie did it for fun. Ann accompanied Julie to the mortuary. What, in God's name do you imagine a 20 year old would do having just viewed 5 murdered bodies, two of which were children. I imagine there to have been a rather greater chance of her being shaken to the core, than jumping up and down, waving her knickers in the air. You're quick enough to claim that I'm speaking psychobabble, yet see nothing wrong with making the sweeping claim that Ann and Julie "are both consummate liars". I guess you've twisted and moved around enough of what they've both said to make them such, purely because you want it to be true. I'm inclined to think you're going to tell us that you can prove that they worked out, between them, what Julie was going to say at trial.

[Bubo bubo]

Exactly why would she not have? Forget what you claim to be their motives. Forget that you want to believe Julie did it for fun. Ann accompanied Julie to the mortuary.

What, in God's name do you imagine a 20 year old would do having just viewed 5 murdered bodies, two of which were children. I imagine there to have been a rather greater chance of her being shaken to the core, than jumping up and down, waving her knickers in the air.

You're quick enough to claim that I'm speaking psychobabble, yet see nothing wrong with making the sweeping claim that Ann and Julie "are both consummate liars". I guess you've twisted and moved around enough of what they've both said to make them such, purely because you want it to be true. I'm inclined to think you're going to tell us that you can prove that they worked out, between them, what Julie was going to say at trial.

You make my point

I did not say they were anything but respectful. during the time they were together at the mortuary.

I did not say what I thought their motives were at that time merely that they had a good chance for a long chat.

I never said they had a knees up at JB's but people can go outside for a chat.

I believe they are consummate liars. That is not a fact it is an opinion that I hold.

This is what I actually said.

What about at the wake? I am sure their paths would have crossed several times before she went to the police. You just make stuff up. You have no evidence or qualifications to mind read all the actors in this drama. Many of your posts involve you psychoanalysing peoples thoughts and motives. That is ok when related to a piece of evidence but most is your psychobabble.

At this point I think you should inform the forum of your qualifications.

in what subjects are you qualified and at what establishment were these qualifications obtained. It would help your arguments if they were in Psychology or Human anthropology.

From you

Better to be qualified to understand what how people are most likely to act under given circumstances, than spout moronic facts which have been bent to how you'd have them be, eh?

Without qualifications you are no more qualified than the next poster.

So you see  that your recent posts contain a stream of psychobabble you have created in your own mind based on things that I have not said.