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« Reply #105 on: August 20, 2021, 10:02:PM »
Allow Steve to tutor you. We'll make an Eaton of you yet.

Yes maybe Roch? I am reading as much as I can.

When I read the police logs it reminded me of being back as school where everyone would copy someone else's homework!

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« Reply #106 on: August 20, 2021, 10:04:PM »
Yes maybe Roch? I am reading as much as I can.

When I read the police logs it reminded me of being back as school where everyone would copy someone else's homework!

Yes, I get the same feel for many of the statements Rob!

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« Reply #107 on: August 21, 2021, 08:36:AM »
Why would a shooter leave a " used " silencer in a place where it would easily have been found, pinning the crime on them alone ?

He didn't. He left it in a box at the back of a cupboard. It was not part of the crime scene.
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« Reply #108 on: August 21, 2021, 08:39:AM »
It was obviously planted for someone to find, complete with a grey hair and someones blood. Only someone wanting to get caught would put it in the cupboard! Would the police really have missed it when searching the cupboard I don't think so, but then the copper was not trained to spot silencers!

I joined the forum thinking I would find a lot of evidence pointing to guilt, but I am not finding much so far. At the moment if I had been on he jury it would be 9 to 3

You have read my list of 71 pieces of sourced evidence. Most of which has not been disputed by the CT.

Obviously there is too much circumstantial evidence to list.

There is also Julie Mugford with a comprehensive WS & court testimony.

Not sure what else can be supplied.
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« Reply #109 on: August 21, 2021, 09:08:AM »
He didn't. He left it in a box at the back of a cupboard. It was not part of the crime scene.





As if !

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« Reply #110 on: August 21, 2021, 10:49:AM »
You have read my list of 71 pieces of sourced evidence. Most of which has not been disputed by the CT.

Obviously there is too much circumstantial evidence to list.

There is also Julie Mugford with a comprehensive WS & court testimony.

Not sure what else can be supplied.

Over 100 men in the USA have been convicted and executed on circumstantial evidence and afterwards the conviction found to be unsafe. In most cases a poor defence was the reason for the conviction, and police thinking they have the right man.

Something is very wrong in this case, far too many sloppy mistakes, the main witness had 32 interviews with the police prior to trial, and the main piece of evidence the silencer is a joke.


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« Reply #111 on: August 21, 2021, 12:12:PM »
Over 100 men in the USA have been convicted and executed on circumstantial evidence and afterwards the conviction found to be unsafe. In most cases a poor defence was the reason for the conviction, and police thinking they have the right man.

Something is very wrong in this case, far too many sloppy mistakes, the main witness had 32 interviews with the police prior to trial, and the main piece of evidence the silencer is a joke.

Yes but there is also forensic evidence.
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« Reply #112 on: August 21, 2021, 12:35:PM »
DB is a magician. According the statement dated 24/10/85, the one we have. He collected the blue socks. How did he manage this 33 days after the event and about 28 days after JB had burnt his parents clothes? I would like to see his pocket book. I would like to see if there are  entries on his second, most likely forged statement. I would like to see if he has listed these items in his Pocket book. If he has not then what is so special about the soil sample that he had to record it twice.
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« Reply #113 on: August 21, 2021, 01:54:PM »
DB is a magician. According the statement dated 24/10/85, the one we have. He collected the blue socks. How did he manage this 33 days after the event and about 28 days after JB had burnt his parents clothes? I would like to see his pocket book. I would like to see if there are  entries on his second, most likely forged statement. I would like to see if he has listed these items in his Pocket book. If he has not then what is so special about the soil sample that he had to record it twice.

I thought police notebooks had to be kept for ten years at least, and in this case indefinitely?

If all the original police notebooks in this case were available it would be very interesting!!

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« Reply #114 on: August 22, 2021, 12:03:PM »
Yes but there is also forensic evidence.

While you are talking about forensic evidence Adam can you explain why just when modern DNA technology could probably prove innocence or guilt either way SC's nightdress is destroyed???

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« Reply #115 on: August 22, 2021, 02:10:PM »
While you are talking about forensic evidence Adam can you explain why just when modern DNA technology could probably prove innocence or guilt either way SC's nightdress is destroyed???

Really? Have you got a source?
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« Reply #116 on: August 22, 2021, 02:11:PM »
The COA had a lot of evidence on the nightdress -

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Sheila Caffell was also dressed in her nightwear and bare-footed. She had received two contact or near contact bullet wounds to her throat. The higher of the two wounds would have killed her almost instantaneously.

The lower of the two would have been a fatal injury but not one where death would have occurred immediately and a person having suffered such an injury may have been able to stand up and walk around for a little time.

The lack of heavy blood staining to Sheila Caffell's nightdress suggested that this had not happened here.

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There was no evidence of any other mark or injury to Sheila Caffell's body such as might be suffered during a fight or in a scuffle.

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Mrs Caffell's nightdress was bloodstained. When tested the blood was consistent with being her own blood.

The garment was also examined for the presence of any firearm discharge residues or oil from the rifle. No such traces were found.

The scientist gave evidence that there would be a strong chance of finding such residues or markings on the clothing of an individual who had fired a rifle twenty-five times.

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The most clear cut of which was that Mr Ismail had referred to a bloodstain on the upper right thigh of Sheila Caffell's nightdress that was clearly caused by a bloody hand print.

He said that he understood that Dr Vanezis, the pathologist, had given evidence that there was no blood on the palm side of Sheila Caffell's hands.

Therefore, he concluded, this staining must have been deposited by another individual. However, whilst Mr Ismail rightly recorded the evidence of Dr Vanezis, Mr Turner was able to point to a note made by Dr Vanezis at the time of the post-mortem examination that read:


"bloodstained palm prints on nightdress matches bloodstains appeared to have transferred from R hand. "

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To decide whether we considered that the interests of justice required that we heard Mr Ismail's evidence, we first had regard to the evidence that it was said that he could give.

From the blood staining he concluded that following the second and fatal shot Sheila Caffell was lying almost flat on her back with her head propped against a bedside cabinet.

For her then to slide to be found in the position depicted in the photographs would have required the downward force to be greater than the friction of her body against the floor.

In his opinion this simply was not possible as there would only be the weight of the head providing the downward force.

Therefore he concluded that an additional force would have been necessary. It could not have come from Sheila Caffell since the second shot would have been instantly fatal and thus she must have been moved by someone else, for example with her legs being pulled.

He also considered that the weight and the friction between her skin and her nightdress was likely to have been less than the weight and friction between the nightdress and the carpet. Therefore, he would expect movement of the body within the nightdress rather than the body and clothing sliding together across the carpet. He pointed out that the photographs demonstrated this effect at the back of the nightdress with the nightdress staying rucked up in its original position. However the front of the nightdress had not demonstrated this effect.

Accordingly Mr Ismail concluded that the nightdress had been pulled down after Sheila Caffell slid into her final position. Since on the evidence, she was dead by this stage, Mr Ismail concluded that some one else had arranged her nightdress.
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« Reply #117 on: August 22, 2021, 02:23:PM »
No forensic evidence involving JB !

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« Reply #118 on: August 22, 2021, 03:14:PM »
Really? Have you got a source?

Not sure what you mean have I got a source?

Modern DNA techniques would be able to pick up the smallest traces of blood spray from the other victims etc.

No gunshot residue was found on SC's nightdress? 25 shots in the house surely everyone would have had gunshot residue on them? perhaps she changed at some point?

As Lookout says no forensic evidence linking JB to the crime, everything must have been planned to perfection but he leaves the silencer in the cupboard!

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« Reply #119 on: August 22, 2021, 07:02:PM »
Not sure what you mean have I got a source?

Modern DNA techniques would be able to pick up the smallest traces of blood spray from the other victims etc.

No gunshot residue was found on SC's nightdress? 25 shots in the house surely everyone would have had gunshot residue on them? perhaps she changed at some point?

As Lookout says no forensic evidence linking JB to the crime, everything must have been planned to perfection but he leaves the silencer in the cupboard!

A source is a link to an internet article backing up what you posted.

Everyone except for Nugs & Lookout supplies sources on here.

Please supply the source for reply 114.
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