THE SILENCER SAGA

[David1819]

As requested relevant pages.

That mentions DB1 being found in the gun cupboard. Hayward recieved it from Malcom Fletcher on the 12th of September.

[Bubo bubo]

That mentions DB1 being found in the gun cupboard. Hayward recieved it from Malcom Fletcher on the 12th of September.

Read what I said. MF was told or he told JH it came from the cupboard. When the police send stuff to the lab they have to say where it was found so that positioning can be taken into account during the analysis. Does it not seem strange to you that DB whoever that was went to the gun cupboard to find his/her first exhibit and then went to the kitchen to retrieve other items associated with the AGA like Fire Debris and gauntlets? Having collected those items the socks (I assume from the main bedroom) were collected. Do not forget that according to records it had been examined to death before it reached the lab (30/08/85).

[Adam]

Obviously your mind is frozen in a guilty pattern. If Taff had a phone call from Nevill, if there was a large difference in RM between the twins and Nevill  as opposed to Sheila and June, if he knew the TFG had shot June by accident or if he knew the TFG had staged the crime scene all these issues and more would prove innocence. I know you were away from the forum but have you not read any of my Narrative?

'If Taff had a phone call from Nevill,'

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Was Taff on phone answering duty that night?

[Bubo bubo]

'If Taff had a phone call from Nevill,'

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Was Taff on phone answering duty that night?

Do not make silly arse comments. I was talking about the evidence he had, not that he had received it. No wonder you are a pest to us all. Most readers would have known what I meant. You are just a nuisance poster. It is time you gave up your stupid behaviour.

[Adam]

Do not make silly arse comments. I was talking about the evidence he had, not that he had received it. No wonder you are a pest to us all. Most readers would have known what I meant. You are just a nuisance poster. It is time you gave up your stupid behaviour.

You need to be clearer. As your other posts are!

[Adam]

That mentions DB1 being found in the gun cupboard. Hayward recieved it from Malcom Fletcher on the 12th of September.

Do you believe the relatives would try to frame (at the time) an innocent man of murdering his own family. Over some land?

[David1819]

Read what I said. MF was told or he told JH it came from the cupboard. When the police send stuff to the lab they have to say where it was found so that positioning can be taken into account during the analysis. Does it not seem strange to you that DB whoever that was went to the gun cupboard to find his/her first exhibit and then went to the kitchen to retrieve other items associated with the AGA like Fire Debris and gauntlets? Having collected those items the socks (I assume from the main bedroom) were collected. Do not forget that according to records it had been examined to death before it reached the lab (30/08/85).

You are getting mixed up with David Boutlour and David Bird.

David Bird recovered the items in the kitchen. David Boutflour found the silencer. This is precisely why David Boutflours exhibits were later changed from DB to DRB later on to avoid this confusion.

[Bubo bubo]

You are getting mixed up with David Boutlour and David Bird.

David Bird recovered the items in the kitchen. David Boutflour found the silencer. This is precisely why David Boutflours exhibits were later changed from DB to DRB later on to avoid this confusion.

You are the one who is mixed up. The David Boutflour David Bird change was made to enable the slight of hand that was used to swap the SM's. Your thinking does not account for the original David Bird exhibit DB1 or do you believe that he started his exhibit numbering at DB2. The lab was still referring to the SM as DB1 as late as 12/09/85. They make no reference to any change such as say formerly numbered DB1. Nothing!
DRB1 was the number given to the second SM which was found/handed to police on 11/09/85. They had to figure out a way and the exhibit number change was conceived and allowed them to get round many document references in the police and lab's records of a SM DB1.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9887.msg450563.html#msg450563
 

[David1819]

You are the one who is mixed up. The David Boutflour David Bird change was made to enable the slight of hand that was used to swap the SM's. Your thinking does not account for the original David Bird exhibit DB1 or do you believe that he started his exhibit numbering at DB2. The lab was still referring to the SM as DB1 as late as 12/09/85. They make no reference to any change such as say formerly numbered DB1. Nothing!
DRB1 was the number given to the second SM which was found/handed to police on 11/09/85. They had to figure out a way and the exhibit number change was conceived and allowed them to get round many document references in the police and lab's records of a SM DB1.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9887.msg450563.html#msg450563

No. This theory of Mike Tesko's has been debunked long ago.

[David1819]

Do you believe the relatives would try to frame (at the time) an innocent man of murdering his own family. Over some land?

Do you believe Jeremy would murder five innocent people and frame his own sister. Over some land?

[Steve_uk]

Do you believe Jeremy would murder five innocent people and frame his own sister. Over some land?

Some land yes, with caravans attached, worth over £1 million today. A two-bedroom flat in a fashionable area of London worth over £1million today. A combined sum of £436,000 from the estates of Nevill and June, worth over £1 million at today's values. How to finalize the act of bringing this theoretical dream to reality, when markers had already been put down by a sometimes disturbed young woman, who had herself speculated on others' demise? The planning wasn't the hard part, but his tendency for braggadocio and experience of colloquy with the opposite sex, limited as it was. He'd been under June's thumb all his life, meekly accepting her every order until, that is, she disintegrated before his very eyes and was removed for incarceration. Thenceforth there was no obstacle, no mental block, as intelligent Julie served his purpose as doormat acceding to his every command. The other girls weren't even bright enough to understand his plight, but Julie gave a legitimacy to the monstrosity, the diablerie which was necessary to accomplish the mission, and which the justification one of sound mind could never begin to comprehend.

[Bubo bubo]

No. This theory of Mike Tesko's has been debunked long ago.

OK debunk it again for my benefit and while your at it answer my questions posed in my post..

Remember this?

For goodness sake do not keep misrepresenting what I have posted. I have given reasons why June could still have been alive. Once again it is clear that you are selectively reporting and once again it is clear that you have not read all of what I have said. If you keep on doing this I will treat you like Adam and refuse to enter into any dialogue with you as well. Do not dismiss my arguments in such a crude fashion. Just because you do not wish to accept my analysis does not mean it is unworthy of consideration and I leave it to others to make up their own minds as to the validity of my thinking.

Try answering this for starters. How did June walk around the bed without stepping on the electric blanket? There is no depression in the fabric. Did she jump it?

You are at risk of becoming an object of ridicule because of your lack of dissemination of the detail I have provided, answering in your tit for tat style.

I am still waiting for an answer to a question asked on July 13th

Nothing has changed you are still swatting at posts by others without answering questions. Constant flippant reposts with no intention of countering detailed posts with well argued points.

I trust readers will see you for what you are.

[Adam]

Do you believe Jeremy would murder five innocent people and frame his own sister. Over some land?

Bamber is an inheritance killer.

It was more than land. Several properties, land, a caravan business. The farm business.

My answer is 'yes'.

[Adam]

That mentions DB1 being found in the gun cupboard. Hayward recieved it from Malcom Fletcher on the 12th of September.

Do you believe the relatives would try to frame (at the time) an innocent man of murdering his own family. Over some land?

[lookout]

Do you believe the relatives would try to frame (at the time) an innocent man of murdering his own family. Over some land?

The answer to that Adam---is YES ! You even said in your post of 2015 that their persuasion would help police " change their stance ".