THE SILENCER SAGA

[mike tesko]

Please, 'take into account' , the possibility that police officers partaking in the now 'affirmed' reconstruction, by 'a team of police officers) , who partook in 'a training exercise' (referred to in official 'Essex Police acknowledgement' by reference to the practice of 'informatives', at 'a crucial stage' of the 'crime scene' and 'live police investigations', (layout)..

[mike tesko]

Please, 'take into account' , the possibility that police officers partaking in the now 'affirmed' reconstruction, by 'a team of police officers) , who partook in 'a training exercise' (referred to in official 'Essex Police acknowledgement' by reference to the practice of 'informatives', at 'a crucial stage' of the 'crime scene' and 'live police investigations', (layout)..

The 'presented truth' relied upon 'during trial testimony' , (could easily be, fabricated) - it all depends on the approach being pursued /adopted by the prosecuting authority taking 'a particular approach'). .

The 'CPS' can determine, 'exactly' what 'gathered evidence' by the State, 'shall be disclosed to the opposition' (the defendants account)  in which 'a multitude of' unsafe convictions', have been 'incorrectly informed' by and  'imposed' / 'executed' in 'real terms'..

[Rob_]

A source is a link to an internet article backing up what you posted.

Everyone except for Nugs & Lookout supplies sources on here.

Please supply the source for reply 114.

Well this is the sort of thing that can be done today:

"Using a little over a dozen human cells, police named Darren R. Marchand as Stephanie Isaacson's killer"

So SC's nightdress had it not be destroyed may have provided a wealth of information.

[Rob_]

Perhaps Adam as you are so keen on sources you can help me with back spatter? I am struggling to find evidence that back spatter from a shot to the neck would contaminate a silencer in the way it did in this case?

[Adam]

Perhaps Adam as you are so keen on sources you can help me with back spatter? I am struggling to find evidence that back spatter from a shot to the neck would contaminate a silencer in the way it did in this case?

Sources are an important part of the forum.

If contact shots into an area of high blood flow would not produce back spatter,  the defence or CT would have brought it up.

[Adam]

COA:

78:

Mr Fletcher, the firearms expert also expressed the opinion to the jury that the sound moderator had been fitted to the gun when Sheila Caffell had been shot. He attributed the presence of blood within the device to the phenomenon of "back-spatter". This occurs when the expansion of gases created by a bullet being discharged creates back pressure which in turn propels blood from the wound back towards the weapon. This effect is only seen when the muzzle of the weapon is in contact with, or very close contact to, the victim.

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[mike tesko]

No blood detected on the following component parts of the silencer, lends itself to a deliberate act of contamination, by someone who had a vested interest in securing a conviction against 'Jeremy Bamber'. The key indicator being 'no presence of blood', on

(3) Metalic flat washer [blood free]
(11) Baffle plate 8 [blood free]
(12) Baffle plate 9 [blood free]
(13) Baffle plate 10 [blood free]
(14) Baffle plate 11 [blood free]
(15) Baffle plate 12 [blood free]
(16) Baffle plate 13 [blood free]
(17) Baffle plate 14 [blood free]
(18) Baffle plate 15 [blood free]
(19) Baffle plate 16 [blood free]
(20) Baffle plate 17 [blood free]

As compared, with / to the following component parts of the same silencer:-

(1) - Metalic outer Casing 'human' / 'animal blood'
(inverted screw thread) at top end of silencer, another (inverted thread) at the bottom end of the silencer') where 'top end inverted thread' accommodates (2) 'Metal End Cap' and the 'inverted screw thread' at the bottom of' the 'metal outer casing(1) can be' attached' or 'detached' , 'to' or 'from' the 'external thread' (21) at 'the top end' of the 'rifles barrel'

(3) Metalic flat washer [blood free]

(4) Baffle plate 1 [blood group activity]

(5) Baffle plate 2 [blood group activity]

(6) Baffle plate 3 [blood group activity]

(7) Baffle plate 4 [blood group activity]

(8) Baffle plate 5 [blood group activity]

(9) Baffle plate 6 [blood group activity]

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(10) Baffle plate 7 ['possible' - blood group activity]

(21[a]) inverted thread [blood group activity] on bottom end of outer casing [1]...





Here, I set out the design features, of the '17 baffled Parker Hale Silencer' [exhibit, DRB/1]  for reference purposes

  17 Baffled 'Parker Hale Sound Moderator'  (23) 

(1) - Metalic outer Casing 'human' / 'animal blood'
(inverted screw thread) at top end of silencer, another (inverted thread) at the bottom end of the silencer') where 'top end inverted thread' accommodates (2) 'Metal End Cap' and the 'inverted screw thread' at the bottom of' the 'metal outer casing(1) can be' attached' or 'detached' , 'to' or 'from' the 'external thread' (21) at 'the top end' of the 'rifles barrel'

(2) 'metal end cap [' Blood']?
(with external thread)

(3) Metalic flat washer [blood free]

(4) Baffle plate 1 [blood group activity]

(5) Baffle plate 2 [blood group activity]

(6) Baffle plate 3 [blood group activity]

(7) Baffle plate 4 [blood group activity]

(8) Baffle plate 5 [blood group activity]

(9) Baffle plate 6 [blood group activity]

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(10) Baffle plate 7 ['possible' - blood group activity]

(11) Baffle plate 8 [blood free]

(12) Baffle plate 9 [blood free]

(13) Baffle plate 10 [blood free]

(14) Baffle plate 11 [blood free]

(15) Baffle plate 12 [blood free]

(16) Baffle plate 13 [blood free]

(17) Baffle plate 14 [blood free]

(18) Baffle plate 15 [blood free]

(19) Baffle plate 16 [blood free]

(20) Baffle plate 17 [blood free]

(21[a]) inverted thread [blood group activity] on bottom end of outer casing [1]...

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. 22 semiautomatic [anshuzt] rifle

(21) External screw thread on end of rifles barrel (minus metal end cap) [ absolutely - no 'blood group activity' ]

(22) Metal end cap of rifles barrel [`Unknown'] 

[Rob_]

Sources are an important part of the forum.

If contact shots into an area of high blood flow would not produce back spatter,  the defence or CT would have brought it up.

Ok apologies I will be more careful in future, I thought I was saying something that was common knowledge.

As regards the silencer I believe it was planted, and deliberately contaminated, and looking at Mike's info it's hard to see how back spatter could cause the distribution of blood seen in the silencer?

Was Mr Fletcher a recognized firearms expert?

[mike tesko]

Curiously, blood was only detected on the top surfaces of each internal baffle plate belonging to the silencer - there was no blood found or detected on the bottom surfaces of the same internal baffle plates, and rather strikingly, no blood was found to be present on the inner surface of the entire length of the silencers outer casing. This suggests that the contaminated  top surfaces of baffle plates occurred when they were removed from the silencers outer casing, and blood was dripped deliberately on to the top surfaces of the baffle plates which had been laid out side, by side. Whoever was responsible overlooked the fact that 'an absence of blood' on 'any of the bottom surfaces of the baffle plates' (when stacked together inside the silencers outer casing, and operational) could 'not occur' because of 'the back pressurised combustion of gases' which would 'swirl around' in 'all the voids' and 'spaces', available 'between one baffle plate' , and 'another' . In fact, 'how in the world' could 'blood only land on the top surfaces of 5 or 6 of the 17 baffles' , when 'each top surface of each baffle' sits (rests) on 'top of one another' - example, 'bottom of one baffle plate' , 'sits directly on top of the next baffle' , and inbetween both surfaces ('bottom surface' of one, and the 'top surface' of the other beneath it) exists 'a void'. There are 'a total of 16 such voids' inside which when the conditions for 'backspatter to occur', are achieved, 'highly pressurised gases' will 'swirl viciously', 'throughout' and 'between each of the 17 baffle plates' and 'accompanying voids'[distributing 'tiny particles of blood' on 'each' and 'every flat' or 'curved surface'..

Even more 'disturbing', 'was' / 'is' the fact 'that blood was found' and 'detected', 'inside' and 'upon the inverted screw thread' at 'the bottom end' of 'the silencers metal outer casing', despite tge fact that tgere 'was' / 'is' no traces of blood 'found' or 'discovered upon the external thread' of 'the anshuzt rifles barrel'. Similarly, according to reference of a cloth pull-through, which 'Fletcher' tested the lining of the rifles barrelled [exhibit 'MDF/100'] the was 'a marked absence' of 'any blood found' or 'detected' inside the 'lining of the guns barrel'!

How could the distribution of blood found or detected inside on component parts of the silencer, have got tgere as a result of backspatter, with blood found or detected on the flat surface of the metal end cap of the silencer, there have been no blood on either the top or bottom surfaces of the flat metal washer beneath it, followed by a presence of blood on the top surfices of the following six or seven baffle plates, with no blood whatsoever on the bottom surfaces of those same baffles, and then no blood at all on the next 10 / 11 baffle plates, followed by blood trapped in the inverted screw thread at the bottom end of tge silencers outer casing?

[lookout]

Ok apologies I will be more careful in future, I thought I was saying something that was common knowledge.

As regards the silencer I believe it was planted, and deliberately contaminated, and looking at Mike's info it's hard to see how back spatter could cause the distribution of blood seen in the silencer?

Was Mr Fletcher a recognized firearms expert?

Rob, Fletcher was no firearms expert, it was a Mr Mead if I remember rightly.

[mike tesko]

We know, that 'David Boutflour' attempted to unscrew one of the two silencers metal end caps because he says in one of his witness statements, he attempted to do this, but failed because it was screwed on too tightly. The only othe person who unscrewed a silencers metal end cap, and successfully removed the flat metal washer, and all 17 of its metal baffle plates, was 'DI Cook' [an activity that he duly photographed]. He performed this exercise on the 29th August 1985, one day before the silencer in the guise of exhibit reference 'DB/1' which arrived at 'Huntindon Lab' on the 30th August 1985, into the care of 'Malcolm Fletcher' along with copies of the photographs which 'DI Cook' had taken showing that silencer in its dismantled state..

With this in mind, how come that 'DI Cook' did 'not see any blood' anywhere on the five or six metal baffle plates that he had separated from the other 10 / 11 baffles? I would suggest that this was because there was no blood present there at that time. It must be the case, that either the blood which would later be identified at the lab, on the '12th', '13th', '18th' and '19th September 1985' on some baffle plates was 'added dishonestly', or else 'blood was already present' in the 'compacted 10 /11 baffle plates' which / that 'DI Cook' had 'not separated during his dismantling' earlier...

Rather alarmingly, something occurred between the date that 'DI Cook' did his dismantling of the silencer [29th August 1985] and 'May 1986' when the defence ballistic expert ['Major Mead'] attended the Lab to examine the silencer. What had inadvertently happened at some stage was that 'all the metal baffle plates' had been 'replaced inside the metal out casing, in reverse'. This makes it a possibility, that if no-one deliberately contaminated thlle sikencer by dripping blood onto the top surfaces of several of the baffle plates, that those contaminated baffle plates, had originall been set from the bottom end of tge silences outer casing, in keeping with the blood detected in the inverted thread of the same. It would also be indicative of blood having entered the silencer from the barrel of the rifle, and 'not by means of the backspatter phenomena'...

[Rob_]

Rob, Fletcher was no firearms expert, it was a Mr Mead if I remember rightly.

Thanks Lookout

[Rob_]

We know, that 'David Boutflour' attempted to unscrew one of the two silencers metal end caps because he says in one of his witness statements, he attempted to do this, but failed because it was screwed on too tightly. The only othe person who unscrewed a silencers metal end cap, and successfully removed the flat metal washer, and all 17 of its metal baffle plates, was 'DI Cook' [an activity that he duly photographed]. He performed this exercise on the 29th August 1985, one day before the silencer in the guise of exhibit reference 'DB/1' which arrived at 'Huntindon Lab' on the 30th August 1985, into the care of 'Malcolm Fletcher' along with copies of the photographs which 'DI Cook' had taken showing that silencer in its dismantled state..

With this in mind, how come that 'DI Cook' did 'not see any blood' anywhere on the five or six metal baffle plates that he had separated from the other 10 / 11 baffles? I would suggest that this was because there was no blood present there at that time. It must be the case, that either the blood which would later be identified at the lab, on the '12th', '13th', '18th' and '19th September 1985' on some baffle plates was 'added dishonestly', or else 'blood was already present' in the 'compacted 10 /11 baffle plates' which / that 'DI Cook' had 'not separated during his dismantling' earlier...

Rather alarmingly, something occurred between the date that 'DI Cook' did his dismantling of the silencer [29th August 1985] and 'May 1986' when the defence ballistic expert ['Major Mead'] attended the Lab to examine the silencer. What had inadvertently happened at some stage was that 'all the metal baffle plates' had been 'replaced inside the metal out casing, in reverse'. This makes it a possibility, that if no-one deliberately contaminated thlle sikencer by dripping blood onto the top surfaces of several of the baffle plates, that those contaminated baffle plates, had originall been set from the bottom end of tge silences outer casing, in keeping with the blood detected in the inverted thread of the same. It would also be indicative of blood having entered the silencer from the barrel of the rifle, and 'not by means of the backspatter phenomena'...

If DI Cook had seen anything on or in the silencer (paint, blood, hair) surely he would have left it alone and let the lab deal with it?

The fact he pulled the whole thing apart to me suggests he never saw anything out of the ordinary?

[mike tesko]

If DI Cook had seen anything on or in the silencer (paint, blood, hair) surely he would have left it alone and let the lab deal with it?

The fact he pulled the whole thing apart to me suggests he never saw anything out of the ordinary?

I agree..

Furthermore, 'DI Cook' submitted a handwritten note, to 'Malcom Fletcher' on the occasion that silencer 'DB/1' arrived at the lab' [Huntingdon] on 30th August 1985 - the contents of which include the following 'this is the silencer I was talking to you about' [accompanying 'that' silencer, and the photographs of that dismantled silencer ('DB/1')] , is the fact, that 'DI Cook' wrote another message to 'DCS Ainsley' which stated that, when an item of evidential value which has blood upon it, or within it [or words to that / this effect] is 'exposed to the side effects of it being exposed to the scientific examination where the said item / blood is exposed to' Superglue treatment ['cynocrylate fumes' ] it was / is scientifically accepted that any blood group results from testing, was / is 'known to be', 'Unreliable'...

'That' / 'this' being so, 'beggars belief' , that blood grouping results obtained from selective surfaces of internal [metal] baffle plates, were presented at trial, without any mention of the 'unreliability' of 'the said results'. Moreover, we are currently 'unaware' of 'DCS Ainsleys' response to 'the highly significant' information which 'DI Cook' brought to 'his attention' , contained in the aforementioned, 'handwritten note', that 'Cook' addressed specifically to 'him'..

[Rob_]

Surely this counts as non disclosure?

Ainsley knew the blood test results on the silencer were unreliable and turned a blind eye, what else did he get up to!