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Offline Steve_uk

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« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2021, 01:15:PM »
Good grief !
Yes it seems he had a good Welsh teacher at HMP Berwyn as well as a Latin specialist.

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« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2021, 01:45:PM »
Yes it seems he had a good Welsh teacher at HMP Berwyn as well as a Latin specialist.

They would not have dared house me in HMP Berwyn.  I was a bit more high security.

As it happens, I can speak Welsh - not fluently, but to a good conversational standard.  This arose when I lived in Liverpool, as I encountered a lot of Welsh speakers, and out of simple innocent curiosity, started learning it.  I'm a bit rusty now, but could hold my own with practically anybody in the Y Fro Gymraeg, and was once offered a place at Aberystwyth to take a Welsh studies course, but didn't take it up.  I also speak a bit of Manx and quite good Cornish.

I'm just good at languages, for some reason.  Don't know why.  Never had any practical use for it, except to sometimes shock people from certain European countries when I suddenly break into their language, which has humour value.

Thanks Steve.

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« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2021, 01:58:PM »
They would not have dared house me in HMP Berwyn.  I was a bit more high security.

As it happens, I can speak Welsh - not fluently, but to a good conversational standard.  This arose when I lived in Liverpool, as I encountered a lot of Welsh speakers, and out of simple innocent curiosity, started learning it.  I'm a bit rusty now, but could hold my own with practically anybody in the Y Fro Gymraeg, and was once offered a place at Aberystwyth to take a Welsh studies course, but didn't take it up.  I also speak a bit of Manx and quite good Cornish.

I'm just good at languages, for some reason.  Don't know why.  Never had any practical use for it, except to sometimes shock people from certain European countries when I suddenly break into their language, which has humour value.

Thanks Steve.
Thank goodness you have redeemed yourself since.

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« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2021, 03:34:PM »
In an attempt to return to the topic, I think there is something special about being from the British Isles and being one of the British nations and tribes, but there's something especially special about being English.  There is something different about us, something that sets us apart from everybody else, even from our island neighbours.  Most civilisation in the form we recognise it today is based on ideas that came out of England, or that England made its own, and most of the best things in the world today started in England and were thought up by an Englishman.  Even if you are not a particularly impressive person yourself, simply being English still carries with it a certain cachet and kudos than other nationalities do not.

Unfortunately - or fortunately, depending on how you look at it - English civilisation is inimitable.  It can only be spread, cloned and practiced by English and British people.  Others, whether German-American, or high caste Indian, or Malaysian, will always produce imperfect facsimiles, no matter how diligently they try.  The English language itself, the most powerful expression of English predominance due to its global currency as a lingua franca, has become heterogeneous with a multitude of forms and no longer belongs exclusively to the English themselves.  I think Steve is right to say we should have some pride in our English identity, which can only come from our uniqueness and exclusivity, which I think have suffered due to the dominance of English ways and culture over everything else.

Yes, other countries and civilisations and cultures have had analogous things before England did.  There have been older parliaments.  Althing and Tynwald are older than the Lords and Commons, but there is only one Mother of Parliaments that the civilised world looks to as a model, or at least, did look to.  Other cultures have had stable systems of law, but there is only one culture that could have sustained freedom under the rule of law using common law.  Even when the English haven't invented something, they still seem to carry it out better than everybody else before and since.  We're just the greatest.  Maybe we should take more pride in this and our national achievements, and even look to restore some of this old world in which we led and all others followed?  I think Roch is wrong to call for a re-branding, if by that he means something new.  It is England anew we want, not new.

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« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2021, 04:04:PM »
Before we write the hagiography of the English nation and as a caveat to the above post I must mention that we have a lumpenproletariat and an inequality of income higher than any Western European nation.

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« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2021, 04:11:PM »
Before we write the hagiography of the English nation and as a caveat to the above post I must mention that we have a lumpenproletariat and an inequality of income higher than any Western European nation.

Income inequality is a matter of which way you want to look at it, in my view.  We do have an underclass.  But my post is not a hagiography of the nation as it is.  Far from it.  It's the beginning of a critique of what the nation has become compared to what it could have been.

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« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2021, 11:51:AM »
Two sides of the English from one film...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lvL4Bzyumg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n61aPbv5OWg

On a separate but related topic, I think 'Mike Bassett' is a bit harsh on Pelé (in regard to the 1970 miss against Uruguay).  It wasn't really an open goal miss.  He'd rounded the goalkeeper, but had to shoot across the goal at an angle and there was a defender in front of the goal.  Not strictly an open goal and the shot was not as easy as people try to claim.  That said, I seem to remember from my long distant days as a sort of amateur football history aficionado that Pelé was once guilty of a genuine open-goal miss in a World Cup game - unfortunately, I can't remember when and what match, but possibly it happened in the 1958 finals. The ball was crossed and he rushed in at the far post and had an open goal but he somehow kicked it over the bar.  I may be wrong about that, though, and anyway, even an excellent player will have his bad days and moments.

To be honest, I have always regarded Pelé as quite an overrated player in relation to the puffed-up estimation of him. He definitely does not warrant the unquestioning and uncritical reception he attracts.  It's difficult because, certainly, he was a world-class player and an excellent player - no question about that; but he was never stretched at club level, and never tested in a difficult European league, and for that reason alone, he can't be regarded as 'the greatest ever player'.  He was never pitted against the really tough defenders and midfielders that you would find week-in, week-out in England, Italy or Spain. 

I think his elevation to virtual godhead status in the game is down to politically-correctness as much as anything else. He was the Left's dream: a highly-talented, dark-skinned player who could make his mark in a World Cup tournament, and is also intelligent and articulate when speaking with the media, and has all the correct social views.

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« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2021, 01:01:PM »
Nid oes gennyf amser i eistedd yn y carchar ar draul y trethdalwr. Efallai y byddaf yn dysgu trawiad pan fyddaf yn ymddeol o'r gwaith

Mae eich Cymraeg yn wael.  Ni allwch ddysgu cael ataliad ar y galon.

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« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2021, 10:37:AM »
I had one but the wheel fell off. ;D

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« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2021, 12:08:PM »
I had one but the wheel fell off. ;D

Er mwyn Duw, am beth ydych chi'n siarad nawr?

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« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2021, 02:34:PM »
Er mwyn Duw, am beth ydych chi'n siarad nawr?





Whatever you say yourself.

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« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2021, 03:16:PM »




Whatever you say yourself.

Dim ond fy dynwarediad o Gymro blin.

Nid fy mai i yw hi os na allwch chi a Steve siarad Cymraeg.

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« Reply #27 on: May 02, 2021, 05:17:PM »
I remember flying home from Oz one year with the Morriston Orpheus choir who'd been touring around Australia.
We had an unexpected landing on the outskirts of Frankfurt airport and while we were held up the choir sang to the passengers and it was brilliant. It was the 1990's and we were stuck there for 3 hours on the tarmac----never found out why and nobody gave any explanation but we were quite a distance from the actual airport itself.
I've got a CD of the above choir and the leading song is Myfanwy. The Welsh are always the best singers.

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« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2021, 05:49:PM »
I remember flying home from Oz one year with the Morriston Orpheus choir who'd been touring around Australia.
We had an unexpected landing on the outskirts of Frankfurt airport and while we were held up the choir sang to the passengers and it was brilliant. It was the 1990's and we were stuck there for 3 hours on the tarmac----never found out why and nobody gave any explanation but we were quite a distance from the actual airport itself.
I've got a CD of the above choir and the leading song is Myfanwy. The Welsh are always the best singers.

'S'all that Hyrroyl and Hoyth they put into it!!! The one Welsh word I'm proud of being able to say in its entirety starts Llanfair.........and goes on forever!!!

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« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2021, 12:59:PM »
'S'all that Hyrroyl and Hoyth they put into it!!! The one Welsh word I'm proud of being able to say in its entirety starts Llanfair.........and goes on forever!!!




And ends--gogogoch.  ;D