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Re: The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series
« Reply #720 on: May 25, 2021, 09:41:AM »
David often provides links to long impossible to read pieces.

Anyway Miller apparently being involved at least means there was an industrial frame.
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« Reply #721 on: May 25, 2021, 09:57:AM »
David often provides links to long impossible to read pieces.

Anyway Miller apparently being involved at least means there was an industrial frame.

David would have Miller lying to the relatives initially, then moving to a position whereby he mistakenly joins in with the prosecution of Bamber - because there is no evidence Sheila committed the killings (she managed to do it without leaving any trace). Apparently, neither Jeremy or Sheila left forensic or material evidence of the killings at the crime scene but either one or the other must have carried out the killings. Bit of a conundrum.
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« Reply #722 on: May 25, 2021, 10:16:AM »
It sounds like Tompkins was dependent upon Miller and Wright. We both know that Miller was of course correct, in his assertions that Sheila was responsible (the police by that time, had confirmation of tests carried out, that would have been linked to the original SC case file). According to Shaw, Miller was duty bound to inform the coroner of the relatives' suspicions. Something he plainly did not do. Miller took the lies he told about Jeremy Bamber to his grave: his final, cocky performance on CTSB, a last act of defiance, while he inwardly knew Jeremy was innocent.

There is no mention of these tests anywhere other than RWBs WS. Hence I believe Miller was simply trying to get the guy off his back.

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« Reply #723 on: May 25, 2021, 10:21:AM »
There is no mention of these tests anywhere other than RWBs WS. Hence I believe Miller was simply trying to get the guy off his back.

Which witness statement from RWB are you referring to?

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« Reply #724 on: May 25, 2021, 10:22:AM »
Which witness statement from RWB are you referring to?

IIRC its in his 1991 COLP statement

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« Reply #725 on: May 25, 2021, 11:12:AM »
IIRC its in his 1991 COLP statement

Trace evidence of tests that were carried out for the original case file, with Sheila as the perpetrator. You should listen carefully to the podcasts, they contain information relating to new (original) evidence.

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« Reply #726 on: May 25, 2021, 11:17:AM »
Trace evidence of tests that were carried out for the original case file, with Sheila as the perpetrator. You should listen carefully to the podcasts, they contain information relating to new (original) evidence.

I have little to no faith in the accuracy of these podcasts. I will need to see the actual documents.

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« Reply #727 on: May 25, 2021, 11:35:AM »
I have little to no faith in the accuracy of these podcasts. I will need to see the actual documents.


It's likely you will only see such documents in the event of two scenarios.

Most likely: CCRC rejects and subsequently, the defence release parts of the submissions to public. Tricky as these things don't happen overnight. It may be via book or via documentaries.

Secondly: CCRC refer and consequently, the evidence comes to light via trial scrutiny, news, media and debate.

In the meantime, you are sitting, twiddling your thumbs, because you mistakenly believe that this forum holds all the evidence and because like certain others, you have painted your self in to a corner re your stance. However, I will give you credit for your scepticism regarding the potential for misinterpretation of case evidence. I too share these concerns.

Here is my suggestion to kill time while we wait for the options above to pan out: listen carefully to all podcasts and note down any claims or suggestions which seem new or are anomalies in respect of the evidence on this forum.

What harm can that do?
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Re: The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series
« Reply #728 on: May 25, 2021, 02:34:PM »
It sounds like Tompkins was dependent upon Miller and Wright. We both know that Miller was of course correct, in his assertions that Sheila was responsible (the police by that time, had confirmation of tests carried out, that would have been linked to the original SC case file). According to Shaw, Miller was duty bound to inform the coroner of the relatives' suspicions. Something he plainly did not do. Miller took the lies he told about Jeremy Bamber to his grave: his final, cocky performance on CTSB, a last act of defiance, while he inwardly knew Jeremy was innocent.

That interview was disgraceful. The hate he showed was disgusting. The fact is he lied because he didn’t ‘know’ Jeremy was guilty
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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« Reply #729 on: May 25, 2021, 02:39:PM »


It's likely you will only see such documents in the event of two scenarios.

Most likely: CCRC rejects and subsequently, the defence release parts of the submissions to public. Tricky as these things don't happen overnight. It may be via book or via documentaries.

Secondly: CCRC refer and consequently, the evidence comes to light via trial scrutiny, news, media and debate.

In the meantime, you are sitting, twiddling your thumbs, because you mistakenly believe that this forum holds all the evidence and because like certain others, you have painted your self in to a corner re your stance. However, I will give you credit for your scepticism regarding the potential for misinterpretation of case evidence. I too share these concerns.

Here is my suggestion to kill time while we wait for the options above to pan out: listen carefully to all podcasts and note down any claims or suggestions which seem new or are anomalies in respect of the evidence on this forum.

What harm can that do?

I’m concerned about the phone calls?
If there was proof of the phone calls I am sure his solicitor could get JB out of prison very quickly without jumping through the hoops of the CCRC
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series
« Reply #730 on: May 25, 2021, 04:36:PM »
I’m concerned about the phone calls?
If there was proof of the phone calls I am sure his solicitor could get JB out of prison very quickly without jumping through the hoops of the CCRC

Exactly.

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« Reply #731 on: May 25, 2021, 04:53:PM »


It's likely you will only see such documents in the event of two scenarios.

Most likely: CCRC rejects and subsequently, the defence release parts of the submissions to public. Tricky as these things don't happen overnight. It may be via book or via documentaries.

Secondly: CCRC refer and consequently, the evidence comes to light via trial scrutiny, news, media and debate.

In the meantime, you are sitting, twiddling your thumbs, because you mistakenly believe that this forum holds all the evidence and because like certain others, you have painted your self in to a corner re your stance. However, I will give you credit for your scepticism regarding the potential for misinterpretation of case evidence. I too share these concerns.

Here is my suggestion to kill time while we wait for the options above to pan out: listen carefully to all podcasts and note down any claims or suggestions which seem new or are anomalies in respect of the evidence on this forum.

What harm can that do?

Bill Robertson seems to have access to these documents. I have suggested/advised to him that he shows them to NGB for a second opinion. He has no good reason not to show them to qualified Barrister who has been directly involved in this case. Bill doesn't seem to have taken this advice. There is not much else I can do.
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Re: The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series
« Reply #732 on: May 25, 2021, 06:35:PM »
Bill Robertson seems to have access to these documents. I have suggested/advised to him that he shows them to NGB for a second opinion. He has no good reason not to show them to qualified Barrister who has been directly involved in this case. Bill doesn't seem to have taken this advice. There is not much else I can do.

It's not for me to say which evidence Bill did or did not have access to. I think you may be making assumptions. More pertinently, does Bill control your own hearing ability? If not, I suggest you listen carefully to the podcasts. You should cross reference them with the statement issued by Mark Newby and limited information on the eight grounds, listed on the JBIC site. Or you can continue to put your fingers in your ears, keep mentioning Bill and 'the evidence available on this forum'.

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« Reply #733 on: May 25, 2021, 07:25:PM »
It's not for me to say which evidence Bill did or did not have access to. I think you may be making assumptions. More pertinently, does Bill control your own hearing ability? If not, I suggest you listen carefully to the podcasts. You should cross reference them with the statement issued by Mark Newby and limited information on the eight grounds, listed on the JBIC site. Or you can continue to put your fingers in your ears, keep mentioning Bill and 'the evidence available on this forum'.

How many episodes are there? and which one do you recommend I listen to?

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« Reply #734 on: May 25, 2021, 08:15:PM »
It's early to say, but my impression so far is that Jeremy has instructed his legal team to re-hash all the old Lomax-era innocence points.  It's a vanilla case, but it won't fly with the current CCRC, let alone the appeal court.  I remain of the view that a missed phone call from Nevill to the police is plausible, but it is at the far end of plausibility and must be put in the category of 'unlikely'.  Unless something startling has been discovered in the intervening years, what the CCRC will be presented with on that point is no improvement on what they saw before. 

My view is that Jeremy should not have been convicted and his convictions should have been quashed in 2002 and then a re-trial should have happened, probably ending with his acquittal.  To an extent, Jeremy is a victim of the internal politics of the criminal justice system.  Since perhaps the late 1990s (not long after its formation), the CCRC has been overly-cautious in referrals under pressure from the appellate judiciary who know they would otherwise be swamped with cases.

In my opinion, further reform is needed, possibly with the right for the CCRC to overturn convictions on its own account.  The present system is odd in that it embodies a contradiction.  The CCRC recently referred the Colin Norris convictions.  Having done so, and having considered the test for referral, I must ask: what can the appeal courts add to the process that the CCRC has not already done?  Perhaps the Norris case merits a second guess, given its gravity and seriousness, but there is a general question that I believe should be asked: if the CCRC think a conviction unsafe (which is what 'real possibility of deciding the conviction is unsafe' effectively means), then how can the appeal judges decide otherwise?  What is it that the appeal judges know that the Commissioners don't?

Bafflingly, in the Bamber case the CCRC have contradicted themselves.  They referred the case in 2001, but refused to refer in 2011.  Are these convictions safe or not?  If there is a real possibility that the appeal court will overturn the convictions, then does that not mean the convictions are unsafe?

Roch's suggestion that we re-listen to the podcasts and discuss any new points raised in them is a very sound idea.  My problem is that I find the use of simulated voices in the podcasts incredibly grating and it's a struggle to listen to them.  Jeremy really, really, really, really needs to politely and tactfully ask his Campaign Team if they could re-do those podcasts with natural voices.  It doesn't matter if it's a voice from the Valleys or a broad Lancashire accent, or whatever.  Amateur and rough-and-ready is fine - and may even be better than professional.