The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series - Season 1

[guest29835]

I have noticed that Kay the person who made the podcast on Brett Collins is a member of the Red Forum and posts there

It seems Kay believes Jeremy is guilty

What is clear in the podcast is that Brett Collins states he had no knowledge of any nude photos and was very close to Jeremy at the time yet Caroline has failed to challenge Kay on this points

It would be nice to hear Gringos take on this.

Even weirdo that this Kay would choose to go on the Red forum where they allow members like Tim who is a racist and the forum that’s already been shut down because of bad behaviour.

Without wishing to name names, I think there are one or two still here who would be more at home over on the Red Forum.

The Bamber affair bears at least one similarity to the Madeleine McCann affair.  Both cases generate more heat than light and seem to attract people who, as soon as they hit the keyboard, lose all sense of moderation, maturity and decorum and turn into arrogant know-it-alls.

The Red Forum is very nasty and I do think the atmosphere and culture there reflects something about the pro-guilt side (which should perhaps be more properly called the anti-Jeremy side) and also the puffed-up conflict that this case attracts. I'm not pretending this trait is exclusive to pro-guilt people.  There is fault on both sides, and in general, I get irritated with people on both sides of this who are very slanted or biased, but I've noticed that there is an undercurrent of nastiness to the pro-guilt side. It is manifestly obvious that, in general, they are not nice people.   

I've read virtually every thread on this Forum and I've noticed that it started out as a very moderate and sensible place, with a mixture of pro-guilt, pro-Jeremy and neutral people, and there were some good, informative posters putting across both sides and in-between, and also some entertaining posters like Campion.

Then after maybe two or three years, there was an influx of new people who started out claiming to be neutral or on the fence, but then turned sharply against Jeremy and started causing trouble.  They were called out but they stayed.  As a result, I have to say that, while it may be entertaining at times and keeps the post count up, I do wonder what the Forum has lost by keeping these people around?  Just my opinion as a relatively new member, but I think the Forum went downhill when these people 'turned' and became not the Blue Forum, but a shade of Red - which is sad, as it began very promisingly as a Forum for intelligent, ecumenical discourse on the case. 

[JackieD]

Totally agree and the obsession with posting when they ‘know’ the right person is locked up for life

[David1819]

So as she walked, wet blood dripped on to June's shin and immediately congealed as bar shapes, ie horizontal?

No it would have congealed not long after she collapsed

As for Sheila, what exactly do you mean 'blood spilled on Sheila's arm the same way it got on to her night dress'?

Its self explanatory Roch

[Roch]

No it would have congealed not long after she collapsed

So it fell, bar-shaped upon her shin, didn't congeal but also didn't run. Then, when June collapsed, the blood that hadn't ran while she was walking, finally congealed.

[David1819]

This is how the bloodstains got on Sheila's arm, as she was sitting up pressing the trigger.

The blood also went a lot further down the side of Sheila's nightdress towards her right arm, however its difficult to see as that side of the dress has been pulled back by gravity and her arm as she fell back.

[lookout]

In the picture of Sheila with her hand on the rifle, wasn't that impression taken into consideration when testing her prints on the rifle ? A whole hand as opposed to just a trigger finger.

[Adam]

This is how the bloodstains got on Sheila's arm, as she was sitting up pressing the trigger.

The blood also went a lot further down the side of Sheila's nightdress towards her right arm, however its difficult to see as that side of the dress has been pulled back by gravity and her arm as she fell back.

There is no silencer on that rifle.

[Roch]

This is how the bloodstains got on Sheila's arm, as she was sitting up pressing the trigger.

The blood also went a lot further down the side of Sheila's nightdress towards her right arm, however its difficult to see as that side of the dress has been pulled back by gravity and her arm as she fell back.

The arrows seem to suggest that blood spurted from Sheila's wound and landed on her wrist in seperate streams. I do not think this is what Vanezis suggested mind. You might want to revisit his notes and testimony to check it matches your theory.

[David1819]

The arrows seem to suggest that blood spurted from Sheila's wound and landed on her wrist in seperate streams. I do not think this is what Vanezis suggested mind. You might want to revisit his notes and testimony to check it matches your theory.

Its in his cross examination, Trial transcript page 30. Even the defence barrister puts it to him that way.

[Roch]

Its in his cross examination, Trial transcript page 30. Even the defence barrister puts it to him that way.

If the spots of blood on her wrist are the ends of the trails of blood, then the source of those trails is the underside of her wrist.  So, are you saying, that Vanezis is saying, that the gunshot wound to her neck deposited blood on the underside of her wrist; and that this deposit of blood then split in to four streams as it travelled around on to the front of her wrist, before stopping and congealing, on the wrist?

[mike tesko]

If the spots of blood on her wrist are the ends of the trails of blood, then the source of those trails is the underside of her wrist.  So, are you saying, that Vanezis is saying, that the gunshot wound to her neck deposited blood on the underside of her wrist; and that this deposit of blood then split in to four streams as it travelled around on to the front of her wrist, before stopping and congealing, on the wrist?

The blood stains/smears on her wrist  were not caused by her shooting herself dead  on the main bedroom floor, the blood was never grouped, and so the blood could have leaked onto that part of her hand/ wrist it has to have been one or more of the other four victims blood!

[David1819]

If the spots of blood on her wrist are the ends of the trails of blood, then the source of those trails is the underside of her wrist.  So, are you saying, that Vanezis is saying, that the gunshot wound to her neck deposited blood on the underside of her wrist; and that this deposit of blood then split in to four streams as it travelled around on to the front of her wrist, before stopping and congealing, on the wrist?

Yes, the same way its running down her upper arm in two streams.

[David1819]

Then after maybe two or three years, there was an influx of new people who started out claiming to be neutral or on the fence, but then turned sharply against Jeremy and started causing trouble.  They were called out but they stayed.  As a result, I have to say that, while it may be entertaining at times and keeps the post count up, I do wonder what the Forum has lost by keeping these people around?  Just my opinion as a relatively new member, but I think the Forum went downhill when these people 'turned' and became not the Blue Forum, but a shade of Red - which is sad, as it began very promisingly as a Forum for intelligent, ecumenical discourse on the case.

People "turned sharply" because they were conned by Paul Harrison. He told them via PM or email that he had solved the case and Jeremy was guilty, that all would be revealed in his upcoming book.

Then his drivel was published and it all blew up in their faces rather quickly. Some members slowly came back to their senses while others just kept on trolling the forums out of resentment and bitterness.

[guest29835]

People "turned sharply" because they were conned by Paul Harrison. He told them via PM or email that he had solved the case and Jeremy was guilty, that all would be revealed in his upcoming book.

Then his drivel was published and it all blew up in their faces rather quickly. Some members slowly came back to their senses while others just kept on trolling the forums out of resentment and bitterness.

Paul Harrison's theory was that Jeremy and Sheila acted together, but as explained before and also on another current thread, the collusion theory doesn't work.  It's an attractive idea and sounds convincing and plausible on its face, but when you think it through logically, you realise that a guilty Jeremy would not - and could not - involve Sheila, and even if he was the thickest person in the world, he had to have realised this himself.  The culprit must be either Jeremy or Sheila; it's extremely unlikely that it was both.  There is, admittedly, a small possibility that they were both deranged and acted in concert somehow, without regard for the consequences.

As for the letter Paul Harrison published, it looks and reads fake to me, but could well be a genuine letter from a fake - if you see the distinction.  Ironically, Harrison may have been taken in himself.  Otherwise, I agree with the assessments of the book: it's the worst book on the case, if it qualifies as a book at all.

[Roch]

Yes, the same way its running down her upper arm in two streams.

Thanks for confirming. It doesn't work for me, because iirc, the blood flows merge and taper on the underside of her wrist. If the process was as you say, it would mean that deposited blood began as a taper that broadened, then separated in to distinct streams, before finally congealing at set points. Her wrist was probably quite thin in circumfence. I find that hard to comprehend.