The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series - Season 1

[Adam]

The police would have made notes re. social services but as with many incidents it didn't reach the jury.

Notes of what?

Only Bamber saw Sheila hit the twins. Which he did not report.

[Adam]

I hope this isn't one of the submissions to the CCRC - Bamber saw Sheila hit the twins. Once.

He is wasting tax payers money again.

[handymanz]

The one about RB sends a shudder down the spine.

That's why I mentioned on the other thread about RB having an alibi for that fateful night. He appears to have as big a motive as anyone.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/3eCozXS7miFeKAfAVK6Brv

[Roch]

That's why I mentioned on the other thread about RB having an alibi for that fateful night. He appears to have as big a motive as anyone.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/3eCozXS7miFeKAfAVK6Brv

My theory is that material, land and financial concerns were very quickly in the ascendency, in the minds of the relatives.  Probably subconsciously, these concerns influenced the relatives' monitoring and interpretations of and suspicions towards Jeremy.  I agree with QC that there is a flippant side to JB, probably tactless, with a tendency towards juvenile humour / crass remarks.  The relatives on the other hand appeared to be a dour, serious and judgemental bunch, not shy of opportunism and harbouring a sense of entitlement. 

It's clear Jeremy's fate was sealed pretty early on.  It now seems to be being claimed that there were communications between the relatives and Mugford, prior to Jeremy's demise.  If this is true, it lends weight to the theory that Julie jumped ship so as not to sink herself.  It is possible that between them, the relatives, Ainsley and Stan Jones were capable of pursuading enough people that Jeremy was culpable for the killings.  Anyone who disagreed or questioned this assessment would simply have their testimony sifted out of the evidence pile.

[lookout]

I can go along with that Roch.

Bribery and corruption from the word go.

[Bill Robertson]

My theory is that material, land and financial concerns were very quickly in the ascendency, in the minds of the relatives.  Probably subconsciously, these concerns influenced the relatives' monitoring and interpretations of and suspicions towards Jeremy.  I agree with QC that there is a flippant side to JB, probably tactless, with a tendency towards juvenile humour / crass remarks.  The relatives on the other hand appeared to be a dour, serious and judgemental bunch, not shy of opportunism and harbouring a sense of entitlement. 

The relatives also discovered very early on that Nevill and June had left them virtually nothing in their wills, which was probably interpreted as a slap in the face by such a money-grasping crew as the Boutflours were. It is also the case that Nevill thought that RWB was a lousy farmer, too idle to make a real success of farming. All contributory factors in the motivation to frame Jeremy.

[lookout]

RWB was too busy going around being a" pillar of the commuinity" to care about the land and getting his hands dirty. Nevill had told him he wasn't a good businessman when they were once talking man to man.

Yes, the Wills told it all really as regards friendship, or not, between the Boutflour's and Bamber's.
Anyone with half an eye could see where this was going during trial. Trouble was, the jury didn't know the half ! Jeremy was well and truly fleeced.

[JackieD]

My theory is that material, land and financial concerns were very quickly in the ascendency, in the minds of the relatives.  Probably subconsciously, these concerns influenced the relatives' monitoring and interpretations of and suspicions towards Jeremy.  I agree with QC that there is a flippant side to JB, probably tactless, with a tendency towards juvenile humour / crass remarks.  The relatives on the other hand appeared to be a dour, serious and judgemental bunch, not shy of opportunism and harbouring a sense of entitlement. 

It's clear Jeremy's fate was sealed pretty early on.  It now seems to be being claimed that there were communications between the relatives and Mugford, prior to Jeremy's demise.  If this is true, it lends weight to the theory that Julie jumped ship so as not to sink herself.  It is possible that between them, the relatives, Ainsley and Stan Jones were capable of pursuading enough people that Jeremy was culpable for the killings.  Anyone who disagreed or questioned this assessment would simply have their testimony sifted out of the evidence pile.

On a scale of one to ten how would you rate Jeremys intelligence???

He really didn’t have a clue from the start what was going on in front of his very eyes?

From start to finish when he made that comment in court about it was up the the prosecution to prove he was guilty

He just didn’t have a clue about anything or what Julie was really like

Can you imagine the relatives must have been laughing all the way to the bank

It is truly sickening. Everyone that has made money out of these murders from the relatives to Julie to Colin

[Adam]

The relatives also discovered very early on that Nevill and June had left them virtually nothing in their wills, which was probably interpreted as a slap in the face by such a money-grasping crew as the Boutflours were. It is also the case that Nevill thought that RWB was a lousy farmer, too idle to make a real success of farming. All contributory factors in the motivation to frame Jeremy.

Doubt they were expecting anything.

The wills of June & Nevill would go to Sheila, Bamber & the twins.

If Nevill died first, he would leave money to June & vice versa.

[Adam]

June was also very religous and some of her will was going to the church. This would not have surprised the relatives.

[Roch]

Adam, what's your assessment of RWB? Do you see him as a Hooded Claw type?

[Adam]

Adam, what's your assessment of RWB? Do you see him as a Hooded Claw type?

Thought AE was the main relative working against Bamber.

RB just tagged along saying 'we all know who that was' after the caravan break in. Later testifying Bamber said 'I could easily kill my parents'.

[guest29835]

Thought AE was the main relative working against Bamber.

RB just tagged along saying 'we all know who that was' after the caravan break in. Later testifying Bamber said 'I could easily kill my parents'.

Didn't Robert Boutflour also meet with the police and pressure them to investigate Jeremy?

I also thought it was Robert Boutflour who alerted the police to the silencer.  He had gone to Witham Police Station to demand a meeting with a senior officer and in passing he mentioned the silencer, as he assumed Ann and Peter had already handed it over.  When the police said, 'What silencer?', it became clear the evidence had not been collected and Stan Jones then arranged to do so.

Robert Boutflour was the patriarch of the Boutflour/Eaton side of the extended family and, despite being only a minor witness at trial, I would say his moral influence on detectives was a linchpin of the whole case.

[JackieD]

Thought AE was the main relative working against Bamber.

RB just tagged along saying 'we all know who that was' after the caravan break in. Later testifying Bamber said 'I could easily kill my parents'.

How I would love to see this all played out truthfully in a Netflix series it would be mind blowing and maybe the best series they have ever commissioned

[Adam]

Didn't Robert Boutflour also meet with the police and pressure them to investigate Jeremy?

I also thought it was Robert Boutflour who alerted the police to the silencer.  He had gone to Witham Police Station to demand a meeting with a senior officer and in passing he mentioned the silencer, as he assumed Ann and Peter had already handed it over.  When the police said, 'What silencer?', it became clear the evidence had not been collected and Stan Jones then arranged to do so.

Robert Boutflour was the patriarch of the Boutflour/Eaton side of the extended family and, despite being only a minor witness at trial, I would say his moral influence on detectives was a linchpin of the whole case.

Suspect AE, PE, RB & DB did things together.

Finding the silencer, going to Taff Jones, handing in the silencer. Going to head office & getting Taff replaced.