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Re: The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series
« Reply #990 on: September 04, 2021, 06:21:AM »
I don't need to giantize Bamber's faults. He stole money from the family business, sold cannabis on the side, killed five members of his adopted family, laughed about it behind closed doors, refused to allow devout June to be buried as she would have wished, attempted to sell lewd photographs of his dead sister and a whole load of other family heirlooms, shoved the twins' possessions into a binbag for Colin to collect and went on foreign jaunts with the blood money.

He is a thoroughly evil human being.


Can your posts be anymore embarrassing??? You have never posted on this forum from a neutral position and your defence of Mugford is mind blowing.  If Mugford were telling the truth it would make her a hundred times worse than Maxine Carr and she should have been prevented from ever working with children. If it is shown she lied she will go down as one of the most wicked women ever to stand in a witness box

Her actions either way are vile

Let’s release every witness statement the women ever made, let’s know her ‘truth’ step by step and then watch the shit hit the fan.
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series
« Reply #991 on: September 04, 2021, 10:11:AM »

Can your posts be anymore embarrassing??? You have never posted on this forum from a neutral position and your defence of Mugford is mind blowing.  If Mugford were telling the truth it would make her a hundred times worse than Maxine Carr and she should have been prevented from ever working with children. If it is shown she lied she will go down as one of the most wicked women ever to stand in a witness box

Her actions either way are vile

Let’s release every witness statement the women ever made, let’s know her ‘truth’ step by step and then watch the shit hit the fan.

This is why EP are in between a rock and a hard place Jackie, if EP release everything they have it may not prove JB is 100% innocent but it would show a lot of people JM and certain police officers and others were corrupt and dishonest and gave misleading evidence and worse.


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Re: The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series
« Reply #992 on: September 04, 2021, 11:48:AM »
This is why EP are in between a rock and a hard place Jackie, if EP release everything they have it may not prove JB is 100% innocent but it would show a lot of people JM and certain police officers and others were corrupt and dishonest and gave misleading evidence and worse.

If apparant unreleased material shows Bamber is 100% innocent, does that mean all the released material showing he is guilty, was fabricated by the police & experts?

The police really were determined.
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Re: The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series
« Reply #993 on: September 04, 2021, 11:55:AM »

Can your posts be anymore embarrassing??? You have never posted on this forum from a neutral position and your defence of Mugford is mind blowing.  If Mugford were telling the truth it would make her a hundred times worse than Maxine Carr and she should have been prevented from ever working with children. If it is shown she lied she will go down as one of the most wicked women ever to stand in a witness box

Her actions either way are vile

Let’s release every witness statement the women ever made, let’s know her ‘truth’ step by step and then watch the shit hit the fan.
Maxine Carr gave Ian Huntley an alibi. I'm surprised as a woman you're so harsh on Maxine Carr anyway: she was used and abused by Huntley and I would have thought as a woman you would have known that.

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Re: The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series
« Reply #994 on: September 04, 2021, 12:13:PM »
Not an argument.

In fact, I have low regard for Matthew Steeples' journalism and have been critical of him on here.  You must not have seen that.  (Note: I have no view on Mr Steeples as a person.  I don't know him and any criticism I make of him is not personal to him and is not intended to offend him).

This doesn't tell me what evidence you have that Jeremy moved any of the phones.

Again, this does not answer my question. I imply from this that Douglas Pike only formed a momentary impression of Sheila and the boys, which means that his evidence is of little or no value to us.

I don't see the relevance of all this.  It seems to me you want it both ways.  You want to be able to talk up Sheila's abilities when it suits, then in the next breath you want to tell us she was a zombie.  Likewise, you want to minimise Julie Mugford's criminality while giantising every tiny discernible character fault of Jeremy Bamber.

Your problem is simply this: you're biased.

None of this tells me she could not have committed suicide.  In evidence for the defence, a very eminent psychiatrist posited that Sheila had ritually cleansed herself prior to committing suicide.  Sheila's own psychiatrist stated (words to the effect) that the actions of a schizophrenic cannot be rationally understood.

Here you concede that everything I say is true.  Yet you continue with your stubborn insistence that Julie's crime was 'spur-of-the-moment'.  It may be narrowly true that it was a spontaneous crime spree, but you know well enough that the offences were part of a pattern of behaviour and not isolated.  My point is vindicated and no more need be said.

That is immaterial.  Jeremy was the defendant and so could give evidence in his own defence while also arranging deals with newspapers without it impugning the trial.  Julie's position was not the same because she was a prosecution witness, and so any such deal could bring her evidence into question.  It would be more honest of you and other guilters if you could acknowledge this point, which is only a statement of how the law works. 

I do agree with guilters that, if Jeremy did have a similar deal, it was perhaps tasteless of him, but we don't know what Jeremy planned to say.  Did Jeremy intend to pose in his swimming trunks with a gaggle of attractive ladies?  At any rate, there is no legal significance in it, whereas in the case of Julie there is.

No, I have not parroted it from the Matthew Steeples video.  I have mentioned it myself on this very Forum a number of times in threads and posts that pre-date that video.  I have discussed it at length in threads with NGB1066 and Adam.  I have no need for Matthew Steeples.  I beat him to it.  She clearly did mislead the court.  The evidence now available to support this seems credible.  She also allowed the court to be misled about her criminal record.  Sorry but these are facts.  Like it or not. 

You have now got a bee in your bonnet about Matthew Steeples, and you seem to want to link me to him, when I have already made clear that I do not rate Matthew Steeples very highly as a journalist and I think his case knowledge is poor.  I would never rely on anything he said.

In fact, I have done my own spadework on this case.  I had been reading about this case for years prior to joining this Forum and I have read every thread on this Forum and downloaded all Mike's documents and read those.

That's spadework!  I have also contributed my own ideas and theories on the case - some of which are original (as even Adam has conceded once or twice).   I could write a book on the case myself. 

I don't need Matthew Steeples, thank you.  I am brighter than he is and I am offended that you think I should need him.  Until maybe two or so months ago, I had not even heard of him. I am the diametric opposite of Matthew Steeples.  I actually do the spadework and when, as in this case, neutrality is warranted for the sake of intellectual integrity, I maintain my neutrality and jealousy guard it.
If you have such a low opinion of Matthew Steeples it is curious that you post a lengthy video the subject of which is his take on the Bamber crimes. In parts its contentis as erroneous as some of your posts and similarly adds nothing to the sum of our knowledge. Douglas Pike's evidence confirms the view of those akin to myself: that Jeremy hated any harmonious domestic scene and as with the adoption discussion which he initiated would do anything to unsettle. And what do you mean we don't know what Jeremy planned to say? Do you think he was going to admit his guilt with a £50000 cheque from The Sun newspaper paid into his bank account?

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Re: The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series
« Reply #995 on: September 04, 2021, 12:30:PM »
Are you sure about all these?

(i). He did steal money from the family business.  You are right about that.  But he did it once and you did say we should ignore things that people do once, so let us be consistent and call it a - what was that phrase you were using earlier? - 'spur-of-the-moment' 'white collar crime spree'.  Let's also remember that, when confronted about it, he admitted it.  He didn't have to come clean.  He could have just remained silent or even brazened it out and put them to proof.  Since he is supposed to be guilty, what would he have had to lose?  Where I do agree with guilters about this is that the whole excuse he gave at the time, and maintains now, that he was checking security arrangements is just spurious.  Clearly he robbed the site for the money.  We know he did it for that motive, because he promptly spent the money.

(ii). He did sell cannabis on the site.  Not necessarily the worst crime and lots of young men of similar character engage in that kind of minor offending.  What is bad about the drugs side of things is that he also trafficked drugs into the country for resale, which tells me he was on his way to getting himself into serious trouble at some point anyway.

(iii). You are correct that he was convicted of killing five members of his family.  This whole forum is about whether he actually did it, but at this point in time he stands convicted.

(iv). Jeremy denies laughing about the shootings behind closed doors, but even if he did laugh, it's not a crime and it doesn't mean he committed the killings.  People even laugh and joke at funerals sometimes.  I'm not sure what we can deduce from it, and it's dangerous to make deductions about odd, erratic or eccentric behaviour because we may be stringing together isolated facts that have no particular significance. Jeremy was somewhat immature.  That doesn't mean he was a murderer.  He played around with Julie in the back of the car [Q. What does that say about Julie?  Nobody asks that], but that may have been a way of relieving tension and/or a reaction to grief.  It's not often that your parents' funeral is filmed live in front of the world's media.

(v). Jeremy disputes what you say about June's funeral arrangements.  He says that, as June was murdered, it was appropriate that she should be cremated and this was in line with June's Christian beliefs. 

(vi). The allegation that he attempted to sell lewd photographs of his sister is disputed by Jeremy and relies on the word of a particularly scummy tabloid journalist who was well-known for telling lies, making things up and exaggerating, and is now deceased.  I see no reason to believe the journalist.  It may also be that there is no reason to believe Jeremy, but the two cancel each other out.  I can't remember what Brett Collins, who was supposed to be there, has to say about it all, but I'm equally reluctant to believe a word he says - which probably explains why I've forgotten.  If Brett Collins told me the time of day, I'd have to ring up the Greenwich Meridian to double-check.  There are also one or two chronological holes in the story.  For instance, it's said that Jeremy would have had nothing to sell, as the negatives had been taken by Colin.  Colin may contradict this, but then, Colin has every reason to be biased.  Moreover, Colin wrote a book about how robins solve murders and Betty Shine revealed his destiny, so I'm not sure what credence can be put on things he says. 

(vii). Jeremy sold family heirlooms because that is what he was entitled to do, and supposed to do.  Unless you're suggesting that he should have maintained The White House as it was, as if his parents were still living there?  Like a museum?  That is rather ridiculous.  Maybe he did act with some insensitivity, but he was adopted, so would not have had the same emotional connection to the heirlooms as a blood son would have had.  I suppose you blame him for that too?  He would also have had bills to pay and, if he is innocent, he would have been grieving amidst it all.  I also find it doubtful that he murdered five people just so that he could sell some antiques.

(viii). If it is true that Jeremy cleared out the twins' possessions and put them in bin bags, that was insensitive, but I'm not sure what can be read into it.  People can be insensitive.  Jeremy was an arrogant young man - that is not disputed by most people.  I feel sorry for Colin in that situation because he must have felt that he had suffered loss upon loss and that he had lost a tangible connection with his sons that he wanted to say Goodbye to, in one final poignant moment.  That's horrible, but it doesn't make Jeremy 'evil' or a murderer. 

(ix). Jeremy went on holiday.  People go on holiday.  You call that 'foreign jaunts with the blood money'.  Are you saying when a relative dies, there is a fixed period during which somebody should not go on holiday or take any sort of restful break?  When do you suggest he should have stopped publicly grieving?  And from memory, didn't Colin go on holiday and also buy himself a new car during this period?  Or am I mistaken?  Not that this, even if true, would excuse Jeremy if he was unpardonably insensitive, but why are you insisting on precise adherence to careful, neo-Victorian social mores from Jeremy and not others?  Did the Eatons go on holiday that year?  Maybe we should check with everybody?  What if Stan and Taff went off on a lads' drinking blag to Ibiza?  How would that look? 

This may be an opportune moment to mention again what happened immediately after the trial:

1. The entire CID capacity of Essex Police repaired to a nearby hotel for an orgiastic, sweaty, mayhemic bender in which, to the man, they got themselves snozzled on cheap acidic ale, in the company of one Kelvin MacKenzie, and quite possibly, a certain David Boutflour.  Not only that, one member of this Forum who claimed to be in know - and I stress, as matters stand, this claim is unproven - told us that this Kelvin MacKenzie told the following to anybody who could hear him above the deafening music: "We know the little sh*t is innocent".

2. A certain student teacher by the name Julie Mugford was posing for racy snaps in her lingerie for a scummy two-bit tabloid newspaper.  Not just any scummy two-bit tabloid newspaper, but the worst of the worst of the worst.  The very scum that decades later hacked the phones of the families of murder victims.

Think on that.  Think on.
Yes I'm quite sure thank you. I'm glad you accept my first three points, but sooner or later in your posts you do start to make excuses for a convicted mass murderer. As far as the funeral at St Nicholas' Parish Church is concerned it's true that there is no specific prohibition on cremation in either the Church of England or Roman Catholicism but it was June's wish to be buried, and her son failed to carry out that wish. I will leave members to speculate as I do whether there was a subterfuge in Bamber's actions: namely he was frightened his parents' bodies would be dug up at a future date for forensic analysis.

The Bamberettes have to deny the accused attmepted to sell lewd photographs of his dead sister. It's quite clear not just from Fielder's evidence but corroborated by Colin that he attempted to do so. By the way: you have confused the photographs Bamber discovered of Sheila with the ones Colin took at White House Farm several years previously and which June confiscated, keeping them locked in her bureau in her mind for safe keeping.

One further point: the heirlooms weren't his until probate had been granted. As it turned out subsequently they weren't his then either. 
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Re: The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series
« Reply #996 on: September 04, 2021, 12:52:PM »
Yes I'm quite sure thank you. I'm glad you accept my first three points, but sooner or later in your posts you do start to make excuses for a convicted mass murderer. As far as the funeral at St Nicholas' Parish Church is concerned it's true that there is no specific prohibition on cremation in either the Church of England or Roman Catholicism but it was June's wish to be buried, and her son failed to carry out that wish. I will leave members to speculate as I do whether there was a subterfuge in Bamber's actions: namely he was frightened his parents' bodies would be dug up at a future date for forensic analysis.

The Bamberettes have to deny the accused attmepted to sell lewd photographs of his dead sister. It's quite clear not just from Fielder's evidence but corroborated by Colin that he attempted to do so. By the way: you have confused the photographs Bamber discovered of Sheila with the ones Colin took at White House Farm several years previously and which June confiscated, keeping them locked in her bureau in her mind for safe keeping.

One further point: the heirlooms weren't his until probate had been granted. As it turned out subsequently they weren't his then either.


Who the fuck is a bamberette ? You absolute waste of space
It’s time you started explaining yourself and enlightening us on your obsession with Mugford
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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« Reply #997 on: September 04, 2021, 01:03:PM »
This is why EP are in between a rock and a hard place Jackie, if EP release everything they have it may not prove JB is 100% innocent but it would show a lot of people JM and certain police officers and others were corrupt and dishonest and gave misleading evidence and worse.

I know Roch. I still have great faith that there will be a really good book followed by a lengthy series where the facts are laid out in minute detail. The public deserve to hear the truth. Personally I have always believed Mugford is the key to the conviction being unsafe. There will be documents that will show her own part in this. Followed by the silencer evidence and corruption by the police involved.
Throw Priti Patel in the mix and you have a blockbuster waiting to happen
The biggest mystery is how these people sleep at nigh
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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« Reply #998 on: September 04, 2021, 01:05:PM »

Who the fuck is a bamberette ? You absolute waste of space
It’s time you started explaining yourself and enlightening us on your obsession with Mugford

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« Reply #999 on: September 04, 2021, 01:17:PM »

Who the fuck is a bamberette ? You absolute waste of space
It’s time you started explaining yourself and enlightening us on your obsession with Mugford
It's shorthand really, for a supporter of Jeremy Bamber.

The profanity does you a disservice. Men don't respect ladies who swear.

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« Reply #1000 on: September 04, 2021, 01:21:PM »
If you have such a low opinion of Matthew Steeples it is curious that you post a lengthy video the subject of which is his take on the Bamber crimes. In parts its contentis as erroneous as some of your posts and similarly adds nothing to the sum of our knowledge. Douglas Pike's evidence confirms the view of those akin to myself: that Jeremy hated any harmonious domestic scene and as with the adoption discussion which he initiated would do anything to unsettle. And what do you mean we don't know what Jeremy planned to say? Do you think he was going to admit his guilt with a £50000 cheque from The Sun newspaper paid into his bank account?

What are you talking about?  I posted the video in a thread called "A thread for Shaun Attwood podcasts".  I didn't post it because it had Matthew Steeples in it.  This was explained in the thread itself.  Do you actually even read what people say?

Furthermore, just because I post a video in which a particular person speaks, it doesn't follow that I endorse what that person says.  If that was your assumption, then I really don't know what to say.  The only thing I could say about it is something quite insulting about your intelligence, which would probably earn me another questionable ban.  Then again, since you spend most of your time on here insulting our intelligence, you could argue that there would be nothing in it.

You say that some of my posts are erroneous.  I'm sure they are, but whenever you try to correct me, you fail, so wherever these erroneous posts of mine are, they seem curiously difficult to find - which suggests at least some of them exist in your head.  I'm doing better than you anyway, because most of what you post on here is erroneous. 

We do not know what Jeremy planned to tell a newspaper, assuming he did have a deal with them.  That is true, isn't it.  Since what I say is self-evidently true, I'm not clear what your bone of contention is.
Thus, I'm also not clear why you're not sure what I mean when I say we don't know.  As usual, it's not clear what you're babbling about.  Unless you share Betty Shine's talent and you can channel to Jeremy through the fourth dimension and tell us?  If so, we're all on tenterhooks.   

You say that Douglas Pike's evidence confirms Jeremy's hatred of domestic harmony.  It does nothing of the kind.  That's arrant, illogical nonsense.  You simply do not know what you are talking about and I am having difficulty taking you seriously.  My interventions in these threads are for the purpose of correcting you, and I must say, given your arrogance and rudeness, I am taking great pleasure in ripping your posts to shreds.

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« Reply #1001 on: September 04, 2021, 01:41:PM »
Yes I'm quite sure thank you. I'm glad you accept my first three points, but sooner or later in your posts you do start to make excuses for a convicted mass murderer.

To me, this sentence sums up perfectly the way your mind works and how you think.  In your narrow, tiny mind, you think that because I defend Jeremy on one point, even if on a factual or rational basis, that must mean I am also defending the very worst thing he could have done.  You don't exactly phrase it like this.  Instead, you put it more carefully: as me defending him on something, therefore I am defending a convicted mass murderer.  The care with which you put it implies disingenuousness.  It's like suggesting that if I point out that something factual put about concerning, say, Ian Huntley, is incorrect or could be misconceived, that means I am defending a convicted child killer.

That's how disingenuous you are.  You can't say I am defending child killing or excusing a child killer, because you know I haven't done that and never would.  Instead, you're dishonestly trying to associate me with the stain of a convicted mass murderer because I respect facts and fairness.  It's scummy.  It's the sort of thing you'd expect from a tabloid or housewives on Mail Online or Mumsnet, or from inferior IQ morons on something like Facebook.

As far as the funeral at St Nicholas' Parish Church is concerned it's true that there is no specific prohibition on cremation in either the Church of England or Roman Catholicism but it was June's wish to be buried, and her son failed to carry out that wish. I will leave members to speculate as I do whether there was a subterfuge in Bamber's actions: namely he was frightened his parents' bodies would be dug up at a future date for forensic analysis.

Essex Police recommended a verdict to the coroner, who then released the bodies to Jeremy.  Sheila and the boys were buried, not cremated.  In the case of Nevill and June, since you concede that my rationalisation of Jeremy's actions is plausible, we're left to speculate as to whether, as you say, there was some ulterior motive for it.  I don't know. 

The Bamberettes have to deny the accused attmepted to sell lewd photographs of his dead sister. It's quite clear not just from Fielder's evidence but corroborated by Colin that he attempted to do so. By the way: you have confused the photographs Bamber discovered of Sheila with the ones Colin took at White House Farm several years previously and which June confiscated, keeping them locked in her bureau in her mind for safe keeping.

I'm not denying that he attempted to sell such photographs.  I am expressing scepticism about it.  I do not believe the say-so of this Fielder can be relied on at all, and what Colin says has to be treated with caution.  It is all the word of Fielder and Colin.  There is no hard proof.  One thing I have asked myself is why Fielder did not go ahead with the transaction in order to establish his newspaper's story.  Instead, the entire story rests on Fielder's account of a meeting.  And where are these photographs you (i.e. Carol Ann Lee) say were in the bureau?  What happened to them?  Is it likely that June would retain such photographs, given her conservative moral outlook?

One further point: the heirlooms weren't his until probate had been granted. As it turned out subsequently they weren't his then either.

This not true.  In fact, possessions can be sold before probate is granted, and I note that Jeremy kept a record of the transactions, thus he was acting properly and correctly.  This must be another of those 'erroneous' points you say I have made that actually turned out not to be erroneous; in fact the error is on your part.

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Re: The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series
« Reply #1002 on: September 04, 2021, 01:43:PM »
What are you talking about?  I posted the video in a thread called "A thread for Shaun Attwood podcasts".  I didn't post it because it had Matthew Steeples in it.  This was explained in the thread itself.  Do you actually even read what people say?

Furthermore, just because I post a video in which a particular person speaks, it doesn't follow that I endorse what that person says.  If that was your assumption, then I really don't know what to say.  The only thing I could say about it is something quite insulting about your intelligence, which would probably earn me another questionable ban.  Then again, since you spend most of your time on here insulting our intelligence, you could argue that there would be nothing in it.

You say that some of my posts are erroneous.  I'm sure they are, but whenever you try to correct me, you fail, so wherever these erroneous posts of mine are, they seem curiously difficult to find - which suggests at least some of them exist in your head.  I'm doing better than you anyway, because most of what you post on here is erroneous. 

We do not know what Jeremy planned to tell a newspaper, assuming he did have a deal with them.  That is true, isn't it.  Since what I say is self-evidently true, I'm not clear what your bone of contention is.
Thus, I'm also not clear why you're not sure what I mean when I say we don't know.  As usual, it's not clear what you're babbling about.  Unless you share Betty Shine's talent and you can channel to Jeremy through the fourth dimension and tell us?  If so, we're all on tenterhooks.   

You say that Douglas Pike's evidence confirms Jeremy's hatred of domestic harmony.  It does nothing of the kind.  That's arrant, illogical nonsense.  You simply do not know what you are talking about and I am having difficulty taking you seriously.  My interventions in these threads are for the purpose of correcting you, and I must say, given your arrogance and rudeness, I am taking great pleasure in ripping your posts to shreds.
Well I'm sure we're indebted to you for bringing Shaun Attwood to our attention, described on Wikipedia thus:

an English former ecstasy trafficker turned YouTuber,[3] speaker, activist and author.

6.[4] After travelling to Arizona regularly to visit his aunts, Attwood moved there and became involved in the rave scene as an ecstasy smuggler and dealer.[5] He was arrested in 2002, released in 2007 and was deported back to England. Following his release, Attwood became a speaker and author, chronicling his experiences in prison.[2]

Drugs are responsible for so many of the most horrendous crimes. But you give him airtime. Enough said.

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« Reply #1003 on: September 04, 2021, 01:46:PM »
Well I'm sure we're indebted to you for bringing Shaun Attwood to our attention, described on Wikipedia thus:

an English former ecstasy trafficker turned YouTuber,[3] speaker, activist and author.

6.[4] After travelling to Arizona regularly to visit his aunts, Attwood moved there and became involved in the rave scene as an ecstasy smuggler and dealer.[5] He was arrested in 2002, released in 2007 and was deported back to England. Following his release, Attwood became a speaker and author, chronicling his experiences in prison.[2]

Drugs are responsible for so many of the most horrendous crimes. But you give him airtime. Enough said.

Just more ridiculousness.  He is a personality on YouTube.  I am not giving him 'airtime'.  I am linking to a video that contains a discussion about the case, so is relevant to the Forum.

Moderator: Isn't there a point when this has to stop?  This is supposed to be a Forum for adult discussion of the case, not a day-care facility for childish people with mental and personality issues. 

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Re: The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series
« Reply #1004 on: September 04, 2021, 01:49:PM »
It's shorthand really, for a supporter of Jeremy Bamber.

The profanity does you a disservice. Men don't respect ladies who swear.

And you and your mate Mugford are pure evil. I bet you get off on the thought of Mugfords visit to the mortuary.
There are no words for people like you. I bet you were a pen pal of Myra Hindley too

You can see the truth but refuse to acknowledge it
Sad person
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000