The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series - Season 1

[David1819]

Which tests was Miller referring to...English and Maths O'Levels?

I suspect Miller was bullshiting in order to try and get RWB off his back.

[Roch]

I suspect Miller was bullshiting in order to try and get RWB off his back.

Or...the police had opened a case-file for Sheila, as the only suspect and perpetrator in the shootings. Within that case-file, police naturally gathered evidence which confirmed this to be the case (as was also obvious to them).  I doubt Kenneally was 'bullshitting' when asked to present his findings to Bunyard. The case-file Kenneally used was the very same one that Miller referred to regarding 'tests'.

[Roch]

What is Shaw's book like? Could not find any reviews. Is it more pro Bamber than Lomax's?

It was never published. I suspect that Shaw's manuscript is on the far left of the case. Andrew Hunter's manuscript is centre left. Lomax' book is the Blairite left of the case. He is cautious and polite regarding some of the wrongdoers.

[Roch]

Just out of interest, has anyone noticed that QC is effectively a guilter whose' posts are disparaging towards the prosecution's case, whereas David is in the innocent camp but his posts are disparaging towards the defence case. This has probably happened before on the forum but I'm not sure it's been this pronounced.

[lookout]

I've noticed Roch, very much so, though QC is erring on the side of caution I would think.

[David1819]

Or...the police had opened a case-file for Sheila, as the only suspect and perpetrator in the shootings. Within that case-file, police naturally gathered evidence which confirmed this to be the case (as was also obvious to them).  I doubt Kenneally was 'bullshitting' when asked to present his findings to Bunyard. The case-file Kenneally used was the very same one that Miller referred to regarding 'tests'.

Nope. Kenneally went over the very evidence that's already avaliable on this forum.  And there was never any sophisticated advanced equipment testing on the windows, unless Miller considers fingerprint dusting advanced technology.

[Roch]

Nope. Kenneally went over the very evidence that's already avaliable on this forum.  And there was never any sophisticated advanced equipment testing on the windows, unless Miller considers fingerprint dusting advanced technology.

So Sheila committed the killings, pretty much without leaving a trace of evidence to implicate her?  Close quarters, near contact shots .. blood flying everywhere etc. 

[Adam]

So Sheila committed the killings, pretty much without leaving a trace of evidence to implicate her?  Close quarters, near contact shots .. blood flying everywhere etc. 

Obviously Nevill would have negated the situation straight away if he saw his daughter holding a rifle used for shooting rabbits.

It would be a natural reaction from a father, husband & grandfather and easy to do.

He certainly wouldn't ring Bamber 

[David1819]

So Sheila committed the killings, pretty much without leaving a trace of evidence to implicate her?  Close quarters, near contact shots .. blood flying everywhere etc. 

June was shot in bed and Nevill was shot on the stairs. Why would there be "blood flying everywhere"? She was using a low caliber rabbit hunting rifle not a 12 gauge shotgun.

[David1819]

Look Roch, Eric and Dylan after they shot and killed 11 people in the school library, before shooting themselves. No visible marks on their arms! they cant have done it!

[Roch]

Shaw on Mugford:

'Julie Mugford did not impart a single piece of information she couldn’t have got from the newspapers or the Boutflours and Eatons and Carrs, or from pure imagination, and if Stan Jones had done his homework he’d have picked her for the liar she was.  She made mistakes in her details of the killings that mirrored the mistakes made by the newspapers of the day, and other mistakes that uncannily concurred with errors the family made in assessing the layout of the murders.  Not a single syllable of her tale about Jeremy’s involvements of the crime was ever backed by a shred of evidence; not then, not now.  Indeed, not one word Julie said during the entire trial indicated knowledge only the killer would be privy to.'

[Adam]

Shaw on Mugford:

'Julie Mugford did not impart a single piece of information she couldn’t have got from the newspapers or the Boutflours and Eatons and Carrs, or from pure imagination, and if Stan Jones had done his homework he’d have picked her for the liar she was.  She made mistakes in her details of the killings that mirrored the mistakes made by the newspapers of the day, and other mistakes that uncannily concurred with errors the family made in assessing the layout of the murders.  Not a single syllable of her tale about Jeremy’s involvements of the crime was ever backed by a shred of evidence; not then, not now.  Indeed, not one word Julie said during the entire trial indicated knowledge only the killer would be privy to.'

Looks like Shaw is like Lomax and very biased & incorrect. Not surprised his book was not published.

[Adam]

The police giving Julie the mountain of inside information in her WS could not have happened. If the police were that determined they would have ensured MM was deleted from her WS.

The relatives using telepathy to brainwash Julie & give her inside information when she was Bamber's girlfriend is not an option.

None of Julie's inside information would have been in the following days papers.

QC agrees and said Julie could have been getting this information by sitting in on informal chats Bamber had with the police. But there is no proof any of these 'informal' chats happened, what was said or if Julie was present.

[David1819]

More information on Miller and the Coroner can be found on the link below.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1038.msg32034.html#msg32034

[Roch]

More information on Miller and the Coroner can be found on the link below.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1038.msg32034.html#msg32034

It sounds like Tompkins was dependent upon Miller and Wright. We both know that Miller was of course correct, in his assertions that Sheila was responsible (the police by that time, had confirmation of tests carried out, that would have been linked to the original SC case file). According to Shaw, Miller was duty bound to inform the coroner of the relatives' suspicions. Something he plainly did not do. Miller took the lies he told about Jeremy Bamber to his grave: his final, cocky performance on CTSB, a last act of defiance, while he inwardly knew Jeremy was innocent.