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« Reply #180 on: March 30, 2021, 07:38:AM »
Yes, I am finding it very difficult to believe Brett was not involved.  Like Julie's involvement, it's another one of those 'elephants in the room' that this case throws up.  I think you would have to be pretty obtuse not to see it really.

Not at all, obviously I don’t believe either Julie Mugford or Brett Collins but hopefully the new evidence wrongly withheld will give you the answers regarding Jeremys innocence or guilt.

If you have some kind of superhuman power that you can tell when the pair above are telling the truth or telling lies please share.  I am excited to know
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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« Reply #181 on: March 30, 2021, 08:29:AM »
Bit of a hit job that. A few glaring errors to boot. If he knew all this back in the day, why would he ever have believed in JB's innocence? I think this was an orchestrated 30 pieces of silver article, to accompany the drama. You have to hand it to those tasked with shoring up the conviction. When they get going, they don't mess about.
I just don’t get what you mean Roch,  Those shoring up conviction, “when they get going they don’t mess about”?  who are you actually referring to?  Do you honestly think this article or drama  will be used or have some sort of sway in Bambers appeal?  I would say Hardly anyone debates the Bamber case, you’ve got a hand full on here and a hand full on Red.  Do you honestly think that the drama was brought out to coincide with any Bamber appeal?  By who, who is this body of people, you obviously believe that there is an Orchestrated effort by some sort of task force set up against Bamber?  WHF drama series was broadcast worldwide by All3Media are they in on it as well as the journalist?

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« Reply #182 on: March 30, 2021, 10:02:AM »
I just don’t get what you mean Roch,  Those shoring up conviction, “when they get going they don’t mess about”?  who are you actually referring to?  Do you honestly think this article or drama  will be used or have some sort of sway in Bambers appeal?  I would say Hardly anyone debates the Bamber case, you’ve got a hand full on here and a hand full on Red.  Do you honestly think that the drama was brought out to coincide with any Bamber appeal?  By who, who is this body of people, you obviously believe that there is an Orchestrated effort by some sort of task force set up against Bamber?  WHF drama series was broadcast worldwide by All3Media are they in on it as well as the journalist?

I will explain later RJ. I think you approach it wrong.

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« Reply #183 on: March 30, 2021, 11:32:AM »
I just don’t get what you mean Roch,  Those shoring up conviction, “when they get going they don’t mess about”?  who are you actually referring to?  Do you honestly think this article or drama  will be used or have some sort of sway in Bambers appeal?  I would say Hardly anyone debates the Bamber case, you’ve got a hand full on here and a hand full on Red.  Do you honestly think that the drama was brought out to coincide with any Bamber appeal?  By who, who is this body of people, you obviously believe that there is an Orchestrated effort by some sort of task force set up against Bamber?  WHF drama series was broadcast worldwide by All3Media are they in on it as well as the journalist?

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« Reply #184 on: March 30, 2021, 11:57:AM »
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I was waiting for that response from you. Was it aliens who also set up the unscrutinised PPE deals worth millions. With respect, you don't know how this country works.

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« Reply #185 on: March 30, 2021, 12:10:PM »
I was waiting for that response from you. Was it aliens who also set up the unscrutinised PPE deals worth millions. With respect, you don't know how this country works.

How do you know I'm not this countries illuminati Rothschild Cyborg ET overlord?

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« Reply #186 on: March 30, 2021, 12:12:PM »
How do you know I'm not this countries illuminati Rothschild Cyborg ET overlord?

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« Reply #187 on: March 30, 2021, 01:53:PM »
How do you know I'm not this countries illuminati Rothschild Cyborg ET overlord?

You're not fooling us with this double-bluff, David.  I've seen the Richie Hall videos.  I've already exposed NGB as one of Them and I now realise that 'David' is also code and stands for Dalek Anvil of Intergalactic Destruction. 

We're on to you lizards!  Oh yes!  I know Adam has information and he's starting a new thread: 75 Pieces Of Evidence That Prove The Lizards Are Here. 

Anyway thanks David, I mean, Dalek.

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« Reply #188 on: March 31, 2021, 10:30:PM »
They've hoyed up two new podcasts. The Emami statement; and Grimster's statement at trial.
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« Reply #189 on: March 31, 2021, 11:16:PM »
They've hoyed up two new podcasts. The Emami statement; and Grimster's statement at trial.
..and both totally irrelevant to Jeremy's actions in the early hours of Wednesday 7 August 1985.

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« Reply #190 on: April 01, 2021, 11:34:AM »
They've hoyed up two new podcasts. The Emami statement; and Grimster's statement at trial.




Yes, I've listened to them both Roch. Sounds as though Sheila had been in a bad way at those points, in fact worse than was made out because of the family's attitude of keeping things private. My guess is that they were going through absolute Hell with her and said nothing to anyone. 

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« Reply #191 on: April 02, 2021, 09:33:AM »
Bit of a hit job that. A few glaring errors to boot. If he knew all this back in the day, why would he ever have believed in JB's innocence? I think this was an orchestrated 30 pieces of silver article, to accompany the drama. You have to hand it to those tasked with shoring up the conviction. When they get going, they don't mess about.

Propaganda at it finest

Jeremy Bamber: ‘My personal opinion is very much that he’s guilty’ – author Carol Ann Lee



ITV drama about horrific Essex murders starts tonight (9pm).

It draws partly on Carol Ann Lee’s book ?????

 
Author Carol Ann Lee. 'For me, it was really a story that hinged on the relationship dynamics between the family members'  ??????

Carol Ann Lee exchanged regular letters with multiple-killer Jeremy Bamber as she conducted the detailed research ?????    required for her true-crime book.

In print, she walked a straight line - setting out to be scrupulously fair and careful not to colour readers' opinions with her own verdict ?????

Now, though, she's happy to give an unequivocal answer to the obvious question: did he shoot dead his parents, sister and his two young nephews?


"My personal opinion is very much that he's guilty." ????

Totally convinced? "Yes, I am. He's been in prison for 30 years and the evidence he was convicted on has not been overturned.

He's been appealing ever since he's been in prison and nothing has come out that has been able to overturn that conviction.


"And for me the overriding piece of evidence, if you like, was looking at the original crime scene photographs. Without going into detail,   ?????

it was obvious from one of the photographs in particular, that has never been published and should never be published,   ?????

that those murders were committed by somebody who was extremely adept with a gun - who knew what they were doing. ?????

Sheila" - his sister, and initially suspected of killing the others, before committing suicide - "didn't. She was also on medication for her illness, which made her very un-coordinated.

"I met her best friend, actually. I remember going to see her at her house. I sat on the sofa, and she said to me 'The last time I saw Sheila was a few days  ?????  before the murders. She was sat exactly where you are now and she was so knocked out by her medication I had to help her get up from the sofa.

There's also a witness statement from a shop owner in Witham, where he talks about how slowly she was moving, and the fact that when the family went out of the shop, he said goodbye, she turned and smiled, and her make-up was all smeared over her teeth.    ?????

"There's no question of her being skilful with a gun that particular night." ??????

Carol also has no doubts that Sheila adored her six-year-old twin boys.
"Yes, she had mental health issues, but that certainly didn't impinge on her love for them." ?????

The author also insists there are no independent accounts of Sheila ever hurting her children. ??????



Night of horror
It was in August, 1985, that five members of the same family were found dead at a farmhouse in Tolleshunt D'Arcy, near Maldon.
The initial theory was that 28-year-old divorcee Sheila had shot twin sons Nicholas and Daniel in their beds; then her father Nevill and mother June, both in their early 60s.
Finally, Sheila - who suffered from schizophrenia - was believed to have killed herself.
Those of us around at the time remember all the stories (true or not) that came out about the woman nicknamed "Bambi" and the way the Bamber family was dubbed the local "Archers" - after the long-running BBC Radio 4 series.
Less than two months later, Sheila's brother, 24-year-old Jeremy, was charged with the killings.

In the autumn of 1986, a jury at Chelmsford Crown Court found him guilty by a majority verdict. He was told he'd be behind bars for at least 25 years, but in 1988 this was raised to "life".
Since then, he's consistently proclaimed his innocence.
Done with compassion


Carol was involved from the start with the project to make a six-episode drama series.  ??????

"White House Farm" begins at 9pm tonight (Wednesday, January 8) on ITV and draws on her book ????

Released originally in 2015, it's been updated and published as a tie-in edition.
Carol was sent the whole series before Christmas.

"I'm very pleased with it. I think they've done a tremendous job with some very difficult and sensitive material ??? 

They've done it with huge skill and compassion, I would say."
Does she have qualms about the tragedy being put under the spotlight anew, when family and friends might well prefer it not to be?

The father of the twin boys has been part of the process too,   ?????  she says. "If he's fine with it - which he is;  ????

he's been involved with it and he's pleased how it's been made ???and feels that it's been sensitively done - then that's good enough for me."


By 2012 Carol had several true-crime books to her credit. A lot of information was emerging about the Bamber case - he was trying to appeal again, and there had been an ITV special. "I thought 'I remember that. I'm going to have a look into it'."
She wrote to Bamber and received a reply in early summer. After that, she'd send questions and the prisoner "would reply promptly in his trademark capitals. His letters varied in length from a couple of pages to fifteen or more sides of A4 paper".
By the spring of 2014, working on a potential appeal, he was saying that he didn't expect to be in jail much longer. Bamber wrote his last letter to the author late that year.
Today, he remains a prisoner.
Family dynamics
Carol interviewed a lot of people for the book, and was given access to thousands of documents and photographs.
"For me, it was really a story that hinged on the relationship dynamics between the family members. That's what interested me more than the police investigation and what came after."
She's pleased that, after 30-odd years, a wider range of people are finally having their voices "heard" - through the TV drama.
"I wanted people to get to know the personalities involved - and I think that informs the case itself when it comes to the actual murders. It tells you much more about who it might have been; who it could have been."
Meanwhile, the "compelling and convincing" murderer, Jeremy, still dreams of overturning his conviction.
"I know people say 'He's still proclaiming his innocence. Why would he be doing that?' (if he were guilty). Why wouldn't he? He's not going to want to come out on parole as a child-killer. That's why he's not admitted his guilt. He wants to come out as the innocent victim that people who support him believe him to be."






Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series
« Reply #192 on: April 02, 2021, 10:48:AM »
Propaganda at it finest

Jeremy Bamber: ‘My personal opinion is very much that he’s guilty’ – author Carol Ann Lee



ITV drama about horrific Essex murders starts tonight (9pm).

It draws partly on Carol Ann Lee’s book ?????

 
Author Carol Ann Lee. 'For me, it was really a story that hinged on the relationship dynamics between the family members'  ??????

Carol Ann Lee exchanged regular letters with multiple-killer Jeremy Bamber as she conducted the detailed research ?????    required for her true-crime book.

In print, she walked a straight line - setting out to be scrupulously fair and careful not to colour readers' opinions with her own verdict ?????

Now, though, she's happy to give an unequivocal answer to the obvious question: did he shoot dead his parents, sister and his two young nephews?


"My personal opinion is very much that he's guilty." ????

Totally convinced? "Yes, I am. He's been in prison for 30 years and the evidence he was convicted on has not been overturned.

He's been appealing ever since he's been in prison and nothing has come out that has been able to overturn that conviction.


"And for me the overriding piece of evidence, if you like, was looking at the original crime scene photographs. Without going into detail,   ?????

it was obvious from one of the photographs in particular, that has never been published and should never be published,   ?????

that those murders were committed by somebody who was extremely adept with a gun - who knew what they were doing. ?????

Sheila" - his sister, and initially suspected of killing the others, before committing suicide - "didn't. She was also on medication for her illness, which made her very un-coordinated.

"I met her best friend, actually. I remember going to see her at her house. I sat on the sofa, and she said to me 'The last time I saw Sheila was a few days  ?????  before the murders. She was sat exactly where you are now and she was so knocked out by her medication I had to help her get up from the sofa.

There's also a witness statement from a shop owner in Witham, where he talks about how slowly she was moving, and the fact that when the family went out of the shop, he said goodbye, she turned and smiled, and her make-up was all smeared over her teeth.    ?????

"There's no question of her being skilful with a gun that particular night." ??????

Carol also has no doubts that Sheila adored her six-year-old twin boys.
"Yes, she had mental health issues, but that certainly didn't impinge on her love for them." ?????

The author also insists there are no independent accounts of Sheila ever hurting her children. ??????



Night of horror
It was in August, 1985, that five members of the same family were found dead at a farmhouse in Tolleshunt D'Arcy, near Maldon.
The initial theory was that 28-year-old divorcee Sheila had shot twin sons Nicholas and Daniel in their beds; then her father Nevill and mother June, both in their early 60s.
Finally, Sheila - who suffered from schizophrenia - was believed to have killed herself.
Those of us around at the time remember all the stories (true or not) that came out about the woman nicknamed "Bambi" and the way the Bamber family was dubbed the local "Archers" - after the long-running BBC Radio 4 series.
Less than two months later, Sheila's brother, 24-year-old Jeremy, was charged with the killings.

In the autumn of 1986, a jury at Chelmsford Crown Court found him guilty by a majority verdict. He was told he'd be behind bars for at least 25 years, but in 1988 this was raised to "life".
Since then, he's consistently proclaimed his innocence.
Done with compassion


Carol was involved from the start with the project to make a six-episode drama series.  ??????

"White House Farm" begins at 9pm tonight (Wednesday, January 8) on ITV and draws on her book ????

Released originally in 2015, it's been updated and published as a tie-in edition.
Carol was sent the whole series before Christmas.

"I'm very pleased with it. I think they've done a tremendous job with some very difficult and sensitive material ??? 

They've done it with huge skill and compassion, I would say."
Does she have qualms about the tragedy being put under the spotlight anew, when family and friends might well prefer it not to be?

The father of the twin boys has been part of the process too,   ?????  she says. "If he's fine with it - which he is;  ????

he's been involved with it and he's pleased how it's been made ???and feels that it's been sensitively done - then that's good enough for me."


By 2012 Carol had several true-crime books to her credit. A lot of information was emerging about the Bamber case - he was trying to appeal again, and there had been an ITV special. "I thought 'I remember that. I'm going to have a look into it'."
She wrote to Bamber and received a reply in early summer. After that, she'd send questions and the prisoner "would reply promptly in his trademark capitals. His letters varied in length from a couple of pages to fifteen or more sides of A4 paper".
By the spring of 2014, working on a potential appeal, he was saying that he didn't expect to be in jail much longer. Bamber wrote his last letter to the author late that year.
Today, he remains a prisoner.
Family dynamics
Carol interviewed a lot of people for the book, and was given access to thousands of documents and photographs.
"For me, it was really a story that hinged on the relationship dynamics between the family members. That's what interested me more than the police investigation and what came after."
She's pleased that, after 30-odd years, a wider range of people are finally having their voices "heard" - through the TV drama.
"I wanted people to get to know the personalities involved - and I think that informs the case itself when it comes to the actual murders. It tells you much more about who it might have been; who it could have been."
Meanwhile, the "compelling and convincing" murderer, Jeremy, still dreams of overturning his conviction.
"I know people say 'He's still proclaiming his innocence. Why would he be doing that?' (if he were guilty). Why wouldn't he? He's not going to want to come out on parole as a child-killer. That's why he's not admitted his guilt. He wants to come out as the innocent victim that people who support him believe him to be."

There's nothing to say that 24/7 she would be zonked out. The killings happened in the early hours. Isn't there some testimony about the kids having to get her out of bed on a morning? If so, she may have been a night owl to some extent. None of the witnesses providing opinion about her alertness are recounting incidents that were set during the early hours. 

Carol Ann Lee is a bit dim at times. Sheila wouldnt have killed her children because she didn't 'adore' them. Imo, she killed her children with the aim of joining them on the other side.  Nobody knows whether or not the point where June and Nevill intervened was at the stage where Sheila was going to take her own life, to join the twins. Nobody knows whether June and Nevill might have survived, had they not intervened.

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Re: The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series
« Reply #193 on: April 02, 2021, 11:02:AM »
How far from the farm was the nearest cottage ?

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« Reply #194 on: April 02, 2021, 01:17:PM »
There's nothing to say that 24/7 she would be zonked out. The killings happened in the early hours. Isn't there some testimony about the kids having to get her out of bed on a morning? If so, she may have been a night owl to some extent. None of the witnesses providing opinion about her alertness are recounting incidents that were set during the early hours. 

Carol Ann Lee is a bit dim at times. Sheila wouldnt have killed her children because she didn't 'adore' them. Imo, she killed her children with the aim of joining them on the other side.  Nobody knows whether or not the point where June and Nevill intervened was at the stage where Sheila was going to take her own life, to join the twins. Nobody knows whether June and Nevill might have survived, had they not intervened.

The bit that is laughable is she knew Jeremy was guilty because of a photo??? Was he in it ??   
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000