Guardian 12th March

[Steve_uk]

Never heard of that before. Witnesses being asked to give blood samples.

RB apparently being in the same blood group as Sheila, was not brought up in 1986, 2002 & 2012. So surprised it is being brought up now. Most probably properganda.

Actually Geoffrey Rivlin QC asked Robert Boutflour at trial if he'd had a cut finger when the silencer was found so it seems as if Defence must have known his blood type.

[lookout]

We never did learn how RWB cut his finger did we ? Only JB's hands were scrutinised for injuries !

[Adam]

Actually Geoffrey Rivlin QC asked Robert Boutflour at trial if he'd had a cut finger when the silencer was found so it seems as if Defence must have known his blood type.

Have you got a source?

[Adam]

We never did learn how RWB cut his finger did we ? Only JB's hands were scrutinised for injuries !

Do you agree with Nugs that RB shot himself with the silencer to create the backsplatter effect. Then the relatives scratched the aga?

The police and Julie working together to create a false WS & the experts and police working together to create the other evidence?

[Steve_uk]

Have you got a source?

The Murders at White House Farm Chapter 40.

[Adam]

The Murders at White House Farm Chapter 40.

CAL ?

Did the book tell you anything new?

[Steve_uk]

CAL ?

Did the book tell you anything new?

Robert Boutflour followed his son-in-law into the witness box. He grew agitated when Rivlin asked whether he might have cut himself at any stage after the discovery of the silencer, implying that the blood within the baffles was his rather than Sheila's, since by pure coincidence they had the exact same bloodgrouping. He became irate when Rivlin questioned his memory of Jeremy declaring, "I could kill anybody, I could even kill my parents." In response to Rivlin's suggestion that Jeremy "didn't say anything at all about killing his parents," Robert thundered: "You can suggest it, but I was there and I heard it!" He was hustled, red-faced and protesting, out of court, whilst the judge discussed a point of law with both counsels. Colin Caffell was in the witness waiting room at the time, and sensed that the relatives risked turning the jury against them, such was their obvious revulsion towards Jeremy.

[lookout]

Robert Boutflour followed his son-in-law into the witness box. He grew agitated when Rivlin asked whether he might have cut himself at any stage after the discovery of the silencer, implying that the blood within the baffles was his rather than Sheila's, since by pure coincidence they had the exact same bloodgrouping. He became irate when Rivlin questioned his memory of Jeremy declaring, "I could kill anybody, I could even kill my parents." In response to Rivlin's suggestion that Jeremy "didn't say anything at all about killing his parents," Robert thundered: "You can suggest it, but I was there and I heard it!" He was hustled, red-faced and protesting, out of court, whilst the judge discussed a point of law with both counsels. Colin Caffell was in the witness waiting room at the time, and sensed that the relatives risked turning the jury against them, such was their obvious revulsion towards Jeremy.

On the contrary Steve, a guilty conscience can rile a person.

[Roch]

Mark Newby's statement claims the rebuilding of the case from the ground up was delivered by Joe Stone and Matt Stanbury, not the CT (who are described in terms of having a support role). 

https://www.doughtystreet.co.uk/barristers/joe-stone-qc

https://www.gcnchambers.co.uk/barrister/matthew-stanbury/

[lookout]

I hope they hurry up about it as my time is now limited 

[Roch]

I hope they hurry up about it as my time is now limited 

Given the rather smug approach taken by some in the first episode (which is the only one I have seen), I'd be interested to know when it was filmed. It's bad enough that it's been aired at this time. Re the timing, I think 'the authorities' learned a trick from McKay / MWT and thought let's have some of that ourselves. I hope legal action is taken against the people behind the drama one day. Though I expect they have attempted to cover themselves. Re the CCRC, hopefully, these blatant attempts to influence people against JB's cause during this time will not distract commissioners and caseworkers from the case that has been rebuilt by Stone and Stanbury. Even as an eternally pessimistic supporter, I still retain some small ember of hope that right will prevail

[guest29835]

Given the rather smug approach taken by some in the first episode (which is the only one I have seen), I'd be interested to know when it was filmed. It's bad enough that it's been aired at this time. Re the timing, I think 'the authorities' learned a trick from McKay / MWT and thought let's have some of that ourselves. I hope legal action is taken against the people behind the drama one day. Though I expect they have attempted to cover themselves. Re the CCRC, hopefully, these blatant attempts to influence people against JB's cause during this time will not distract commissioners and caseworkers from the case that has been rebuilt by Stone and Stanbury. Even as an eternally pessimistic supporter, I still retain some small ember of hope that right will prevail

Jeremy is now 60, so they have every reason to be smug.  Adam, Steve, Real Justice, Jane, Caroline, and all the people on the Red Forum, and all the people in the documentary, are victorious.  Even if Jeremy is now released to great fanfare, it will not be on the back of a widespread view that he is factually innocent, rather it will almost-certainly be on the basis of, first, the conviction being held to be purely 'unsafe', and second, that the distance of time and destruction of evidence make a re-trial next-to-impossible to conduct in a fair manner.  Like Barry George or Siôn Jenkins, Jeremy will maintain his innocence in those circumstances and do the rounds in the media, and nobody will be able to gainsay him as White House Farm was a black box.  Nobody knows what happened, maybe not even him.  But his life will have been taken from him - maybe rightly, maybe wrongly, nobody will know for sure, except Jeremy himself, in the private, secret world that is his own mind.

[Roch]

Jeremy is now 60, so they have every reason to be smug.  Steve, Real Justice, Jane, Caroline, and all the people on the Red Forum, and all the people in the documentary, are victorious.  Even if Jeremy is now released to great fanfare, it will not be on the back of a widespread view that he is factually innocent, rather it will almost-certainly be on the basis of, first, the conviction being held to be purely 'unsafe', and second, that the distance of time and destruction of evidence make a re-trial next-to-impossible to conduct in a fair manner.  Like Barry George or Siôn Jenkins, Jeremy will maintain his innocence in those circumstances and do the rounds in the media, and nobody will be able to gainsay him as White House Farm was a black box.  Nobody knows what happened, maybe not even him.  But his life will have been taken from him - maybe rightly, maybe wrongly, nobody will know for sure, except Jeremy himself, in the private, secret world that is his own mind.

These smug people on TV are taking part in propaganda. I watched 90% of the drama and could barely recognise the case. It was as if 20% of the actual case had been clubbed together with 20% fantasy and used to represent the case as a whole. 60% being omitted, because it was surplus to requirements or didn't fit CAL's precious 'right narrative'. The message at the beginning was highly misleading. What it should have said is: this drama is based upon a narrow and selective narrative, in part chosen from case evidence'. The defence are not allowed present their version of the case in the UK media, because of the convictions. The media and the state should be separate, not melded together.

[lookout]

There's every possibility that Jeremy could be released on licence such as Eddie Gilfoyle was in 2010 and who remains so to this day. Although he's " free " from the confines of prison, his freedom doesn't stretch to a life that he wishes to lead as he'll remain under the jurisdiction of the authorities.
He will not be eligible for compensation.

[lookout]

Eddie's case is another miscarriage to my mind. I knew him in a professional capacity.