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Re: The Silenced Rifle Did Not Fit Inside The Gun Cupboard
« Reply #300 on: October 03, 2020, 07:00:AM »
Here you go again. Where have I said you exchanged pm messages with Mat ?????

I have posted numerous times about Mats threats of violence to me and the fake account he set up in my name so I think it’s rich when comments are made about vitriol and probably aimed at QC

It’s one rule here for one and another for someone else
I never said you did, I’m pointing out that I didn’t have any correspondence with Matt, especially to call a friend.

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« Reply #301 on: October 03, 2020, 08:39:AM »
Not sure but he was a thorough guilter from the off. Couldn't work him out.

I suggest you PM Ngb to ask him about Matt and who he is and what he did and come back to me with a response and then you might finally learn a lesson why I don’t reign it in when I see QC being attacked for no good reason
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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« Reply #302 on: October 03, 2020, 08:42:AM »
I never said you did, I’m pointing out that I didn’t have any correspondence with Matt, especially to call a friend.

You had friendly banter with Matt on here though didn’t you even though I had posted a pm on here where he threatened to hurt me and you saw all the abuse he was posting on the red
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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« Reply #303 on: October 03, 2020, 08:55:AM »
You had friendly banter with Matt on here though didn’t you even though I had posted a pm on here where he threatened to hurt me and you saw all the abuse he was posting on the red
I never followed Matt, I cannot recall many posts I had with him, although I accept their might be some exchanges?  I didn’t or can’t recall any Fake account he set up of you, I hardly ever posted on the Bamber site on Red, it wasn’t worth it because everyone thought him guilty other than Holly.

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« Reply #304 on: October 03, 2020, 09:04:AM »
I never followed Matt, I cannot recall many posts I had with him, although I accept their might be some exchanges?  I didn’t or can’t recall any Fake account he set up of you, I hardly ever posted on the Bamber site on Red, it wasn’t worth it because everyone thought him guilty other than Holly.


I suggest you send one of your pm messages to Ngb and ask him about Mat and what I was accused of

There needs to be some truth on this forum and protection from threats and online bullying
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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« Reply #305 on: October 03, 2020, 09:10:AM »

I suggest you send one of your pm messages to Ngb and ask him about Mat and what I was accused of

There needs to be some truth on this forum and protection from threats and online bullying
I suggest you look into the abuse I received and threat.

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Re: The Silenced Rifle Did Not Fit Inside The Gun Cupboard
« Reply #306 on: October 03, 2020, 09:29:AM »
I suggest you look into the abuse I received and threat.


I haven’t seen you physically threatened on here? and maybe the abuse your talking about is in response to something you posted
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: The Silenced Rifle Did Not Fit Inside The Gun Cupboard
« Reply #307 on: October 03, 2020, 10:27:AM »
Personal vitriol from who exactly

Several members at different times, as you well know.  Read posts over the past couple of weeks.  Sometimes the abuse is in response to provocation or abuse from another member.  That makes it hard to moderate.  The only easy solution is to delete a series of posts but that would usually destroy the entire thread.  The problem has been that some personally abusive posts have also contained detailed and reasoned argument, which presents a problem for the moderators.  Sometimes it is possible to edit a post, at other times to delete an entire post, but it is not easy.


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« Reply #308 on: October 03, 2020, 10:54:AM »
Several members at different times, as you well know.  Read posts over the past couple of weeks.  Sometimes the abuse is in response to provocation or abuse from another member.  That makes it hard to moderate.  The only easy solution is to delete a series of posts but that would usually destroy the entire thread.  The problem has been that some personally abusive posts have also contained detailed and reasoned argument, which presents a problem for the moderators.  Sometimes it is possible to edit a post, at other times to delete an entire post, but it is not easy.


Would it work if the personal abuse was deleted, allowing the "detailed and reasoned argument" to remain? If such isn't possible, then I feel it's only fair that whole post, however detailed and reasoned, should be sacrificed. Those who will have picked up on the information, will run with it, ignoring the abuse. It's not perfect, but what is? It might just work.

Regarding abuse, I've not contributed very much, of late, nonetheless, during this time, my name has come up in an abusive and derogatory manner. I've chosen not to respond but I can't fail to recognize it as abuse deliberately used to incite abuse, giving the original abuser the chance to claim personal attack as being the reason. Over the past few weeks this has occurred frequently, on a very different level from the usual 'spats'. As active membership always fluctuates, it's not possible to say that it's the reason for the general decline in posting.

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Re: The Silenced Rifle Did Not Fit Inside The Gun Cupboard
« Reply #309 on: October 03, 2020, 11:10:AM »
What happens to Matt? he seems to have disappeared  :-\

He has disappeared.  His profile was deleted.


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Re: The Silenced Rifle Did Not Fit Inside The Gun Cupboard
« Reply #310 on: October 03, 2020, 11:38:AM »

Would it work if the personal abuse was deleted, allowing the "detailed and reasoned argument" to remain? If such isn't possible, then I feel it's only fair that whole post, however detailed and reasoned, should be sacrificed. Those who will have picked up on the information, will run with it, ignoring the abuse. It's not perfect, but what is? It might just work.

Regarding abuse, I've not contributed very much, of late, nonetheless, during this time, my name has come up in an abusive and derogatory manner. I've chosen not to respond but I can't fail to recognize it as abuse deliberately used to incite abuse, giving the original abuser the chance to claim personal attack as being the reason. Over the past few weeks this has occurred frequently, on a very different level from the usual 'spats'. As active membership always fluctuates, it's not possible to say that it's the reason for the general decline in posting.

I have edited and removed many posts.  Many of these you will not be aware of because I have acted quickly.  The problem is that I cannot be online all the time and often when I look I see a string of posts on a thread, containing escalating levels of personal abuse.  If I edit or remove one I have to deal with others in the same way.  Sometimes the abuse has been interlocked with argument and explanation and it is frankly too difficult and time consuming to try to edit lengthy posts.  The other problem is that feelings can run very high.  Whenever I edit or remove posts I get strong objections, sometimes in aggressive terms.  There is often the implied threat that the member will leave.  "So be it" you may say. However we do not have that many active members and fewer still who post in detail on aspects of the case.  If we lose these people we will have a moribund forum.  I am sometimes berated from all sides by demands to ban members.  If I acceded to every request we would have virtually noone left!

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Re: The Silenced Rifle Did Not Fit Inside The Gun Cupboard
« Reply #311 on: October 03, 2020, 11:53:AM »
I have edited and removed many posts.  Many of these you will not be aware of because I have acted quickly.  The problem is that I cannot be online all the time and often when I look I see a string of posts on a threat, containing escalating levels of personal abuse.  If I edit or remove one I have to deal with others in the same way.  Sometimes the abuse has been interlocked with argument and explanation and it is frankly too difficult and time consuming to try to edit lengthy posts.  The other problem is that feelings can run very high.  Whenever I edit or remove posts I get strong objections, sometimes in aggressive terms.  There is often the implied threat that the member will leave.  "So be it" you may say. However we do not have that many active members and fewer still who post in detail on aspects of the case.  If we lose these people we will have a moribund forum.  I am sometimes berated from all sides by demands to ban members.  If I acceded to every request we would have virtually noone left!

Neil, I here that you get berated but doing such wasn't my intention. I'm inclined to take the view that if we refuse to take responsibility for our own actions -in this instance, abuse, threats, aggression generally- we shouldn't be surprised if the responsibility is taken on our behalf and find ourselves being banned, if only temporarily. The reverse of not doing so may result in the forum's only posters being the abusers, with the victims either sitting on the sidelines, or leaving to find a safer place to post. I appreciate it not an easy balance.

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Re: The Silenced Rifle Did Not Fit Inside The Gun Cupboard
« Reply #312 on: October 03, 2020, 01:23:PM »
He has disappeared.  His profile was deleted.

How comes?

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Re: The Silenced Rifle Did Not Fit Inside The Gun Cupboard
« Reply #313 on: October 03, 2020, 01:25:PM »
How comes?

It is a long story and probably best not aired again on the open forum.  The subject provokes strong reactions from several quarters.


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Re: The Silenced Rifle Did Not Fit Inside The Gun Cupboard
« Reply #314 on: October 03, 2020, 02:33:PM »
It is a long story and probably best not aired again on the open forum.  The subject provokes strong reactions from several quarters.

It’s never been aired that’s the point
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000