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Offline mike tesko

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I can now reveal that the following picture was extracted from one of the crime scene videos (4 overall) which shows a view of Sheila Caffells significantly bloodstained face/neck whilst her body was laid institu on the main bedroom floor, minus the rifle, and after police had rolled her body into the supine position after applying CPR unsuccessfully...
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Re: Confirmation, image taken from Crime scene video - PUZZLE?
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2020, 09:21:PM »
Police hid the truth surrounding the circumstances of the shooting/death of Sheila Caffell, and the state of her body prior to undertakers removing her corpse from the farmhouse..
« Last Edit: August 28, 2020, 09:39:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Confirmation, image taken from Crime scene video - PUZZLE?
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2020, 09:28:PM »
Both of these images, were taken by police when her body was on the main bedroom floor, one was an individual crime scene photograph, the other was a still image taken from one of the crime scene videos taken at the scene after police had attempted to revive/ keep her alive using CPR.
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Re: Confirmation, image taken from Crime scene video - PUZZLE?
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2020, 09:36:PM »
The CCRC have the actual cassette tapes containing the crime scene videos, but have refused to let Jeremy see it (them) because they say it would be too distressing for him to view (it) them...

In other words, although police have deliberately lied about who took crime scene photographs and the crime scene videos, the CCRC have taken the decision that these developments do not adversely impact on the safety, or otherwise, of Jeremy Bambers convictions/sentence..
« Last Edit: August 28, 2020, 10:22:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Confirmation, image taken from Crime scene video - PUZZLE?
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2020, 09:44:PM »
The state/condition of Sheila Caffells body, by the time the undertakers attended whf to transport the bodies to Chelmsfird hospital mortuary, would confirm that Sheila's body had blood all over her face/neck before they took control of her body, and police officers at the scene by that stage knew full well the an attempt to revive Sheila using CPR was / had been  unsuccessful..
« Last Edit: August 28, 2020, 10:23:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Confirmation, image taken from Crime scene video - PUZZLE?
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2020, 09:49:PM »
The way to sort this is to find out who will take responsibility fir the second image.

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Re: Confirmation, image taken from Crime scene video - PUZZLE?
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2020, 09:54:PM »
The state/condition of Sheila Caffells body, by the time the undertakers attended whf to transport the bodies to Chelmsfird hospital mortuary, would confirm that Sheila's body had blood all over her face/neck before they took control of her body, and police officers at the scene by that stage knew full well the an attempt to revive Sheila using CPR was unsuccessful..

This shocking revelation only came to light very recently  after a private analysis of both of the images (posted), confirming that one of the images was an actual crime scene photograph taken at some point after Sheila had received the second shot with her head close to the base of the bedside cabinet,  whereas, the second grainy type image which shows Sheila with significantly more blood all over her face and neck, is a still image extracted from one of the crime scene videos taken by police at the farmhouse before undertakers attended the scene to recover/transport the bodies of victims to Chelmsford hospital mortuary!
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Re: Confirmation, image taken from Crime scene video - PUZZLE?
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2020, 09:55:PM »
My understanding is that the second image is from a documentary and is an actress, not Sheila Caffell.  That being said, it would seem to me in rather poor taste for a documentary to produce such an image, even if staged, so I'm not sure.

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Re: Confirmation, image taken from Crime scene video - PUZZLE?
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2020, 10:21:PM »
The way to sort this is to find out who will take responsibility fir the second image.

There has been a private analysis carried out by an expert who has privately confirmed that in both images (shown) Sheila's head is captured at a slightly different angle, with the bottom edge of the bedside cabinet clearly identifiable beyond her head/face..

This now, is a game changer, it is no longer a matter of that two different teams of SOC (from Headquarters,  and Witham) took crime scene photographs at different times at the scene (9.00 - 10.00am, and additionally between 10.00 - 1.15pm), what we appear to be dealing with here is not only that there had been two separate SOCO examinations at the scene by two separate teams of SOCO, but rather more significantly that PC Bird, and DI Cook (Witham SOCO) deceived the court during Jeremy Bambers October 1986 Chelmsford crown court trial, and the 2002 court of appeal hearing, the current position leads one to strongly suspect that Witham SOCO (PC Bird) did not take any of the crime scene photographs  he spoke about whilst testifying at the trial, but rather that most if not all of the 223 images which 'THE MASTER COPY ALBUM' was made up of, had been photographs taken by Headquarters SOCO (9.00am - 10.00am), whereas Witham SOCO are responsible for taking or producing the additional 358 photographs which are part and parcel of 'THE SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS, ALBUM'
 of which there is a total of 581 images...

This must be true, because the excessive blood staining shown on Sheila Caffells face/neck in the grainy still image extracted from crime scene video footage appears to confirm that CPR  had already (unsuccessfully) been attempted prior to Witham SOCO taking control of the farmhouse crime scene from 10.00am, onwards..

All hell is about to erupt as a result of this discovery..
« Last Edit: August 28, 2020, 10:44:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Confirmation, image taken from Crime scene video - PUZZLE?
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2020, 10:40:PM »
My understanding is that the second image is from a documentary and is an actress, not Sheila Caffell.  That being said, it would seem to me in rather poor taste for a documentary to produce such an image, even if staged, so I'm not sure.

Hi QCC,

The bottom edge of the bedside cabinet in the main bedroom is visible/identifiable in both images, albeit the grainy still image gives/shows  a slightly different angled shot of her head, face and neck - both are definitely images of Sheila Caffell laid on the main bedroom floor with her head close to the base of the bedside cabinet (visible in the back ground of both images produced in this thread). It's now almost a racing certainty, that Witham SOCO took the crime scene video footage, and that PC Bird, and DI Cook, deliberately deceived the court by claiming that they (Witham SOCO) had taken almost everyone of the 223 photographs which formed of/in 'THE MASTER COPY ALBUM'..

If the truth be known, those 223 photographs were the original photographs taken by Headquarters SOCO (between 9.00 - 10.00am), in 'THE MASTER COPY ALBUM', and the 581 photographs which were 'THE SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM', were made up from a mixture of images taken at the scene and elsewhere by Headquarters SOCO and Witham SOCO which ACC Peter Simpson kept locked away in his office safe...
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Re: Confirmation, image taken from Crime scene video - PUZZLE?
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2020, 11:21:PM »
This shocking revelation only came to light very recently  after a private analysis of both of the images (posted), confirming that one of the images was an actual crime scene photograph taken at some point after Sheila had received the second shot with her head close to the base of the bedside cabinet,  whereas, the second grainy type image which shows Sheila with significantly more blood all over her face and neck, is a still image extracted from one of the crime scene videos taken by police at the farmhouse before undertakers attended the scene to recover/transport the bodies of victims to Chelmsford hospital mortuary!

How recently?

These images are photographic stills, taken from the crime scene video, the following two images are of Sheila, one is a photograph taken by PC Bird, the other was filmed as part of the crime scene video taken much later after CPR had been administered:-

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Re: Confirmation, image taken from Crime scene video - PUZZLE?
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2020, 09:27:AM »
How recently?

to my knowledge, a couple of weeks ago. But I gather that 'team Bamber' had/have already been looking at the same issue, and that they have known about the possible significant/ implacations involving a future application for a review of Jeremy Bambers conviction and sentence...

I also am told that the strips of photograph negatives used to take crime scene photographs at the White House farm incident that each strip of 10 negatives each have a serial (reference) no. and that examination of registers kept at various police  stations /headquarters which deal with to whom and when negatives were issued, or had been used in a crime investigation will also help to clarify the fact of which SOCO team took photographs at the scene (9.00 - 10.00am and 10.00 - 1.15am). Confusion over a reference to the firearm officers that they were told at a meeting held at Witham masonic lodge on 7th August 1985, by senior officers, that they refer to PC Birds video footage taken of the crime scene when making their notebook entries, and witness statements, in particular with regard to the position of where PC Bird captured them in his video footage..

It now becomes clear, that Witham SOCO took the video footage at the crime scene (10.00 - 1.15pm), as well as a montage of photographs, whereas Headquarters  SOCO (9.00 - 10.00am), and that Essex police have not told the truth concerning  the circumstances of how Sheila Caffell got shot twice, once in two different rooms of the farmhouse  once downstairs in the kitchen, and on a second occasion when she was shot again upstairs in her parents bedroom..

The still image (shown below) taken from PC Birds crime scene video footage reveals that Sheila Caffells body was restaged prior to Whitehouse farm being handed over to Witham SOCO by 10.00am. If Jeremy or some would be hitman had shot and killed Sheila by 3.00am, she would have already been shot twice, and with that in mind, it begs the question, as to why the police applied CPR six hours or more (9.00 - 10.00am) after Sheila had died! And, how come all the other police officers and Doctor Craig, who attended inside the main bedroom crime scene, at various stages between 8.42am and 9.30am, that not one of them described the condition of Sheila' face and neck covered in her own blood (as shown in the still image taken from PC Birds crime scene footage that he could only have filmed after 10.00am that morning, because Witham SOCO weren't given control of the farmhouse until that time! It's safe to say then, that police practiced or performed CPR on the body of Sheila Caffell at sometime during the one hour period (9.00 - 10.ooam) that senior officers carried out 'INFORMATIVES'. Moreover, since Sheila did not receive the second (so called, instantly fatal shot) until 9.13am, and that senior officers who had been performing 'INFORMATIVES'  at that time, know the true nature of how and when Sheila was shot a second time that it dawned on someone, that Sheila had been still alive until she received the second bullet, and this being so, then at that point would have been a good time to give CPR to try and keep her alive...

In support of this, when the Coroners officer attended the main bedroom crime scene, at 9.30am, he said something of huge importance concerning that the rifle had been removed from Sheila's body by that stage...

Bearing this in mind, How can anyone believe anything the Witham SOCO'' had to say, about the bodies of victims had not been disturbed or touched since they were discovered two and a half hours earlier by the raid team - by 10.00am, the rifle had been replaced back on Sheila's body, which can only have happened sometime between 9.30am (refer to Coroners officers account) and 10.00am, when Witham SOCO took charge of the  crime scene. It seems almost certain that someone performed CPR on Sheila Caffell within moments of her receving the second (fatal) shot, and that was why by 9.30am the rifle was not with her body when the Coroners officer viewed Sheila's body. CPR was being performed on Sheila Caffell at some point immediately after 9.13am, until 9.30am, which is a period of about 17 minutes during which time someone was frantically applying CPR with the view of trying to keep Sheila alive...

Why did it take until 9.13am, or thereabouts, before someone started to perform CPR?

 The answer is a very simple and straight forward certainty - they all thought Sheila to have been dead at 7.35am, when she received the first shot to her neck, until about 8.10am, when the body count downstairs stood at two bodies in the kitchen, and a further three bodies found upstairs which dramatically altered, when Sheila had presumably regained consciousness and had tentatively made her way upstairs. In hindsight, Sheila must have still been alive and capable of moving around however slowly, because it took a good 15 minutes  from 8.15am - 8.30am, for the raid team to relocate her on the bed in the parents bedroom, upstairs in a collapsed state.

Other senior officers who had been monitoring the situation from inside a nearby farm outbuilding raised the alarm that the body of Sheila wasn't present anymore in the kitchen when they entered the farmhouse once a police radio message had been passed by a firearm officer inside the farmhouse at 8.10am  that five dead bodies had been found bu that stage, two bodies downstairs, a further three bodies found upstairs..

There can be no question that by that stage (8.10am) that all the police at the scene were aware that Sheila was still alive somewhere inside the farmhouse...
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Re: Confirmation, image taken from Crime scene video - PUZZLE?
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2020, 01:05:AM »
I believe the actual tape is in Stokenchurch Box 35 and is exhibit reference 35/4 in the context of that inquiry, and exhibit reference 504 in the original Essex Police investigation.  See the schedule attached below.  Obviously I have no idea if this is in fact a reference to a montage of static images or an actual video taken of the scene.


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Re: Confirmation, image taken from Crime scene video - PUZZLE?
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2020, 08:01:AM »
I believe the actual tape is in Stokenchurch Box 35 and is exhibit reference 35/4 in the context of that inquiry, and exhibit reference 504 in the original Essex Police investigation.  See the schedule attached below.  Obviously I have no idea if this is in fact a reference to a montage of static images or an actual video taken of the scene.

Is this your reference?

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9782.msg449240.html#msg449240

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Re: Confirmation, image taken from Crime scene video - PUZZLE?
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2020, 12:18:PM »
Is this your reference?

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9782.msg449240.html#msg449240

That must be where I got the information from originally, yes.