Lest We Forget...................

[David1819]

Jeremy was distancing himself from the crimes.

Jeremy told Julie he was involved in the crimes.

It all makes sense now.  Thanks Steve.

lol

[Adam]

Thanks Adam.  'Matthew' (Jeremy) had to unscrew the silencer and put it back in the gun cupboard because Sheila's arms wouldn't have let her kill herself with a silenced rifle.  On the way to the gun cupboard, he stopped at the aga surround and put some scratch marks there, just to be fair and sporting and give the police a chance.  He also left some blood visible on the outside of the silencer, for the same reason.

Jeremy later forgets to mention all this to Julie.

Meanwhile...

Five police officers inspect the gun cupboard and find nothing of significance.

Stan Jones, formerly of C11 Branch of Scotland Yard, suspects Jeremy from the off.

This same Stan Jones offers Jeremy the keys to the crime scene, including the gun cupboard.

Jeremy refuses and lets the relatives have the keys instead.

It's all falling into place.  Thanks Adam.

The aga scratches happened during Bamber's & Nevill's kitchen fight. Sheila's blood is in the silencer from back splatter from her contact shot. You know this.

You previously said there was a 5% chance of it being animal blood. I did ask for a source but got no response.

[Jane]

Jeremy was distancing himself from the crimes.

Jeremy told Julie he was involved in the crimes.

It all makes sense now.  Thanks Steve.

Actually, it does make some sense. It was big time, big shot talk, prior to carrying it out. He'd have been ignorant of what the scene would look like, smell like, be like. Job having been done it paints a picture of reality not present before. It's perfectly acceptable that he may wish to distance himself from it.

[Steve_uk]

Here's a tragic breaking news story: https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/08/10/swiss-police-german-woman-apparently-kills-self-twin-kids/

[JackieD]

Some posters believe Julie should have approached the police on the way to WHF in the police car. Which is very extreme as she didn't even know what had happened.

It seems she started wilting within the first week. While simultaneously attending the funeral & then being taken on Bamber's jolly ups.

Over the next 3 weeks things escalated. Julie started talking to other people. Bamber felt more confident & didn't want Julie tagging along with Brett & dampening the mood.

You missed the bit when Julie was desperate to get in the mortuary to take a close look at the bodies

[guest29835]

Only because by that stage Julie had known how long he had been planning them.

Jeremy frames himself for the crime by telling Julie that he had indeed carried out a crime he had previously told her he had been planning. 

Why not just not tell her he carried out the crime and let her and others suspect him without proof?

None of this makes sense.

Why didn't Julie mention the silencer, something that, interestingly enough, an innocent Jeremy wouldn't mention?  The silencer was a major issue during the killings, assuming it was used.  It's almost unbelievable that it wouldn't be mentioned.

Bear in mind, also, that if Jeremy had returned the silencer to the gun cupboard in order to allay suspicions about it being missed, Jeremy also knew (or at least, could reasonably infer) that the police had not found the silencer, or if they had found it, they had not understood its significance. 

This means Jeremy was home and dry.  Why not just take the keys off Dozy Stan, thank him, invite him in for a whisky or three, send him on his way, then dispose of the silencer?!  Simple.

[Adam]

You missed the bit when Julie was desperate to get in the mortuary to take a close look at the bodies

I don't believe desperate. But she did offer to be helpful as no one else wanted to.

[JackieD]

Absolutely. It vindicates her claim that one of the reasons she didn't come forward earlier was that she didn't think she would be believed.

So were her actual words

I’ve been dumped by that wanker Bamber and I had all my bag packs ready to move into Whitehouse but I’m glad he dumped me because he told me he was responsible for all his family being murdered at the farm. He told me the night before the murders it was going to happen and he told me straightaway after he was responsible but hey ho he had a great big house and land and I would never have had to work again. So I just turned a blind eye

Is that how it went Steve

[Adam]

Jeremy frames himself for the crime by telling Julie that he had indeed carried out a crime he had previously told her he had been planning. 

Why not just not tell her he carried out the crime and let her and others suspect him without proof?

None of this makes sense.

Why didn't Julie mention the silencer, something that, interestingly enough, an innocent Jeremy wouldn't mention?  The silencer was a major issue during the killings, assuming it was used.  It's almost unbelievable that it wouldn't be mentioned.

Bear in mind, also, that if Jeremy had returned the silencer to the gun cupboard in order to allay suspicions about it being missed, Jeremy also knew (or at least, could reasonably infer) that the police had not found the silencer, or if they had found it, they had not understood its significance. 

This means Jeremy was home and dry.  Why not just take the keys off Dozy Stan, thank him, invite him in for a whisky or three, send him on his way, then dispose of the silencer?!  Simple.

He told Julie MM did it.

Think your on your own saying Bamber would have told Julie about the silencer. Don't believe it's ever been suggested before. On or off the forum.

But go with it if you believe it's a major thing. Although as I said it also shows the police did not tamper with her WS.

[JackieD]

I believe it's in her WS that she claims Jeremy told her no one would believe her. I have a feeling she may have been right. Given that, it's possible that for a while she convinced herself she'd be safer with him than without him?

Oh it must be true then

Muggy famous for her honesty

[lookout]

Here's a tragic breaking news story: https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/08/10/swiss-police-german-woman-apparently-kills-self-twin-kids/

So sad. Nobody knows of the pain/suffering that the woman had endured. Things such as this are hidden.

[Steve_uk]

Jeremy frames himself for the crime by telling Julie that he had indeed carried out a crime he had previously told her he had been planning. 

Why not just not tell her he carried out the crime and let her and others suspect him without proof?

None of this makes sense.

Why didn't Julie mention the silencer, something that, interestingly enough, an innocent Jeremy wouldn't mention?  The silencer was a major issue during the killings, assuming it was used.  It's almost unbelievable that it wouldn't be mentioned.

Bear in mind, also, that if Jeremy had returned the silencer to the gun cupboard in order to allay suspicions about it being missed, Jeremy also knew (or at least, could reasonably infer) that the police had not found the silencer, or if they had found it, they had not understood its significance. 

This means Jeremy was home and dry.  Why not just take the keys off Dozy Stan, thank him, invite him in for a whisky or three, send him on his way, then dispose of the silencer?!  Simple.

1. Jeremy had already framed himself for the crime. He had been planning it since Autumn 1984 and let Julie into the secret.

2. Why telephone Julie at 3am on 7th August 1985? It gives him a knowledge of the crimes at the very earliest stage.

3. Maybe Julie didn't mention the silencer because Jeremy omitted it from the hitman story.

4. Jeremy had committed the crimes, blamed Sheila, walked away from the Farm he had hated for 24 years and was about to embark on his new life in Maida Vale, taking a few well-earned jaunts in the interim.

[lookout]

1. Jeremy had already framed himself for the crime. He had been planning it since Autumn 1984 and let Julie into the secret.

2. Why telephone Julie at 3am on 7th August 1985? It gives him a knowledge of the crimes at the very earliest stage.

3. Maybe Julie didn't mention the silencer because Jeremy omitted it from the hitman story.

4. Jeremy had committed the crimes, blamed Sheila, walked away from the Farm he had hated for 24 years and was about to embark on his new life in Maida Vale, taking a few well-earned jaunts in the interim.

Killing two children can never be planned Steve. It just didn't happen that way. They were killed out of love for them not hate. They died together with their mother which Sheila had wanted that way and not left to the mercy of the world, orphaned and unloved. In Sheila's mind she saw a better place. 

[lookout]

Sheila had literally reached the end of her tether, an unpredictability that even the cleverest physician couldn't predict.

[Jane]

Killing two children can never be planned Steve. It just didn't happen that way. They were killed out of love for them not hate. They died together with their mother which Sheila had wanted that way and not left to the mercy of the world, orphaned and unloved. In Sheila's mind she saw a better place.

One might have thought she'd have gone with them -"Mummy is here with you, my darlings. We're all here together"- rather than leaving them alone.