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Re: Lest We Forget...................
« Reply #180 on: August 12, 2020, 09:00:PM »
You're not obliged to tell your life story when being questioned----or even answer any given questions.
It's done to stop any fabricating by highly imaginative police officers.

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« Reply #181 on: August 12, 2020, 09:09:PM »
You're not obliged to tell your life story when being questioned----or even answer any given questions.
It's done to stop any fabricating by highly imaginative police officers.


Who of us, never having previously been questioned by police, would have known that? As an innocent person, it simply wouldn't have occurred to me to hold anything back to prevent "fabricating by highly imaginative police officers". It seems very odd that someone too naive to know that in emergencies one calls 999, not a friend, suddenly becomes so cynical. I'd have answered every question, if only to get it over with.

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« Reply #182 on: August 12, 2020, 09:39:PM »

Who of us, never having previously been questioned by police, would have known that? As an innocent person, it simply wouldn't have occurred to me to hold anything back to prevent "fabricating by highly imaginative police officers". It seems very odd that someone too naive to know that in emergencies one calls 999, not a friend, suddenly becomes so cynical. I'd have answered every question, if only to get it over with.



Hadn’t he been arrested and questioned about the caravan robbery ?

Didn’t he decline a solicitor when first arrested ?

Hardly the behaviour of a guilty person
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Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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« Reply #183 on: August 13, 2020, 07:41:AM »
Don't worry, No Justice, we believe you.

What's your view of Bamber's police interviews?
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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« Reply #184 on: August 13, 2020, 11:26:AM »

Who of us, never having previously been questioned by police, would have known that? As an innocent person, it simply wouldn't have occurred to me to hold anything back to prevent "fabricating by highly imaginative police officers". It seems very odd that someone too naive to know that in emergencies one calls 999, not a friend, suddenly becomes so cynical. I'd have answered every question, if only to get it over with.




Without a solicitor present ? It's they who call the shots and if they say " no comment " you repeat that process.

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« Reply #185 on: August 13, 2020, 11:43:AM »



Without a solicitor present ? It's they who call the shots and if they say " no comment " you repeat that process.


Are you saying his behaviour was calculated? Seems to me he may have been doing a double bluff wich back-fired.

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« Reply #186 on: August 13, 2020, 12:53:PM »

Are you saying his behaviour was calculated? Seems to me he may have been doing a double bluff wich back-fired.





Jeremy probably didn't know the meaning of calculated back then.

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« Reply #187 on: August 13, 2020, 01:00:PM »
Compared to others in their day, both Sheila, or perhaps Jeremy more so, didn't appear to be as up to speed with the way of life as the " townies " were as particularly Jeremy, he had seemed immature in lots of ways----which can only be put down to his upbringing and somewhat sheltered life. Sheila had managed to extricate herself from those confines so was more worldly-wide.

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« Reply #188 on: August 13, 2020, 01:22:PM »
Compared to others in their day, both Sheila, or perhaps Jeremy more so, didn't appear to be as up to speed with the way of life as the " townies " were as particularly Jeremy, he had seemed immature in lots of ways----which can only be put down to his upbringing and somewhat sheltered life. Sheila had managed to extricate herself from those confines so was more worldly-wide.


But both -unlike their Boutflour cousins- were encouraged, partly through their education to spread themselves wider than the confines of rural Essex.

I entirely disagree that Sheila was more worldly wise than Jeremy. She was far too much of a spiritual being with her head in the clouds to be so. At a practical level she couldn't drive and was, allegedly, hopeless at domesticity. She needed support in order to function. Jeremy, by contrast, spent as much time as possible traveling away. He was far more condident than Sheila.

No child who attends boarding school can be said to have led a sheltered life as a result. Their oportunities are endless. My friend's children boarded at both Felixtow and Felsted and visited school friends as far away as Guernsey and Northamptonshire.

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« Reply #189 on: August 13, 2020, 02:06:PM »

But both -unlike their Boutflour cousins- were encouraged, partly through their education to spread themselves wider than the confines of rural Essex.

I entirely disagree that Sheila was more worldly wise than Jeremy. She was far too much of a spiritual being with her head in the clouds to be so. At a practical level she couldn't drive and was, allegedly, hopeless at domesticity. She needed support in order to function. Jeremy, by contrast, spent as much time as possible traveling away. He was far more condident than Sheila.

No child who attends boarding school can be said to have led a sheltered life as a result. Their oportunities are endless. My friend's children boarded at both Felixtow and Felsted and visited school friends as far away as Guernsey and Northamptonshire.





Sheila obviously wasn't made to help around the house or assist her mother when baking/cooking which was why there were failings on the domestic front. Who cooked for the boys ? Did Colin " carry " her through their short marriage ?
Her wish to move to London was purely for the nightlife, something that I can't get my head around considering she was supposed to have been very ill ? A sick person, mentally or physically wouldn't be interested in nightlife of any sort, and certainly wouldn't care or know half the time where they were.

Sheila was more advanced in/with life than Jeremy was. He only got a taste of it when he used to go to modelling classes with her. I bet he felt as though he'd been released out of a cage.
Not forgetting she got herself pregnant at 17, so knew what she was doing. 

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« Reply #190 on: August 13, 2020, 03:00:PM »




Sheila obviously wasn't made to help around the house or assist her mother when baking/cooking which was why there were failings on the domestic front. Who cooked for the boys ? Did Colin " carry " her through their short marriage ?
Her wish to move to London was purely for the nightlife, something that I can't get my head around considering she was supposed to have been very ill ? A sick person, mentally or physically wouldn't be interested in nightlife of any sort, and certainly wouldn't care or know half the time where they were.

Sheila was more advanced in/with life than Jeremy was. He only got a taste of it when he used to go to modelling classes with her. I bet he felt as though he'd been released out of a cage.
Not forgetting she got herself pregnant at 17, so knew what she was doing.


Making her do anything could do nothing to create aptitude. It certainly won't have helped if what she did wasn't up tp June's exacting standards. It would have lowered what confidence she had. In fact, receiving criticism for what she got wrong rather than praise for what she got right was probably why she lacked confidence. We're not told who organized the boys' food. I believe Colin's mother helped and probably June was never far away. It may have been Colin. He seems to have been very closely bonded with them which I don't think was the norm in the late 70s.

I'm sure her underlying reason for wanting to be in London was to do with the potential nightlife -or simply freedom per se?- but I feel certain neither June nor Nevill would have allowed her to go unless she had employment or college. We know that she proved less than successful at both. MAYbe, she wasn't really interested in doing either and saw their potential as a means of escape? I don't believe her to have been ill when she went to live in London. What parents would allow their sick daughter to live away from home where they couldn't look after her?

Sheila didn't impregnate herself. Colin impregnated her. I think she was more than willing to take the chance. Pregnancy would have served several useful purposes. A) Colin would have to marry her B) it would mean she wouldn't have to live with her parents (and June's criticism) C) she wouldn't have to get a job. Sadly, like much of what she did, things didn't go to plan. I think Sheila may have thought she knew what she was doing but forward thinking doesn't seem to have been hard wired into her psyche. On the other hand, Jeremy, I believe, planned, and gave himself time to formulate his plans. Something necessary if he intended to have a life outside of farming and have the financial wherewithal to fund it.

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« Reply #191 on: August 13, 2020, 03:00:PM »




Sheila obviously wasn't made to help around the house or assist her mother when baking/cooking which was why there were failings on the domestic front. Who cooked for the boys ? Did Colin " carry " her through their short marriage ?
Her wish to move to London was purely for the nightlife, something that I can't get my head around considering she was supposed to have been very ill ? A sick person, mentally or physically wouldn't be interested in nightlife of any sort, and certainly wouldn't care or know half the time where they were.

Sheila was more advanced in/with life than Jeremy was. He only got a taste of it when he used to go to modelling classes with her. I bet he felt as though he'd been released out of a cage.
Not forgetting she got herself pregnant at 17, so knew what she was doing.

According to her friend Tora and Freddie, Sheila was an excellent cook.
Few people have the imagination for reality

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« Reply #192 on: August 13, 2020, 03:08:PM »
According to her friend Tora and Freddie, Sheila was an excellent cook.





I haven't seen anything which refers to that. Only that Tora had remarked on how Sheila had changed and Freddie's fear of her.

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« Reply #193 on: August 13, 2020, 03:10:PM »
Why was a big man so scared ? In what way did Tora think that Sheila had changed ?

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« Reply #194 on: August 13, 2020, 03:14:PM »
AE had said she couldn't put beans on toast.