Would The Police Have Done Things Differently Had Jeremy Not Been There?

[guest7363]

You must be fit, RJ  It takes me all my time to walk round the block now since walking/exercising has become a thing of the past with this bloomin' Covid. It's the dread of bumping into someone I know and having to speak  ( I haven't worn a mask )
I did used to do a lot of walking on holiday and enjoyed it----I don't really think the urge goes away and it does stand you in good stead in remaining supple, but these days I ache just after doing the hoovering which isn't nice and only caused by too much sitting.
Walking is the finest and best exercise you can do, forget the gym and weights. Well done you.

Well done you Lookout, your right Walking and cycling is the best form of exercise, like you said forget the Gym.  The TPT was going to be cycled, the pennine way is usually walked which I’ve done most off.  We’re lucky in the Peaks we’ve got the best of both 👍

[lookout]

Well done you Lookout, your right Walking and cycling is the best form of exercise, like you said forget the Gym.  The TPT was going to be cycled, the pennine way is usually walked which I’ve done most off.  We’re lucky in the Peaks we’ve got the best of both 👍

Beautiful countryside and a lovely, and enjoyable trail.

[Caroline]

Im a bit slow this morning Jane Ha Ha I’m trying to get my head around the Question
🙈

Great to see you back  RJ!

[guest7363]

Great to see you back  RJ!

Thanks Caroline x

[guest7363]

Great to see you back  RJ!

Must say, it was great to see Hartley posting.

[Caroline]

Must say, it was great to see Hartley posting.

Indeed, he wasn't here long though.

[Steve_uk]

Whilst I'm confident that the outcome wouldn't have been different, I maintain it might have been arrived at more efficiently. I believe Jeremy's presence was detrimental to them although it worked in his favour.

Jeremy was in a uniquely powerful position. It was he who -eventually- informed police about an alleged call from his father claiming -and here Jeremy places the onus of responsibility onto Nevill- that Sheila had gone crazy and had hold of a gun. From then on, it was Jeremy who controlled the conversation. It would have had effect on the police actions, ie, had he said she hardly knew one end of a gun from the other, it would probably have been closer to the truth that telling them she was gun competent and had handled every gun in the house, and the police wouldn't have held off entering for as long as they did.

Jeremy used his time, outside the farmhouse, very efficiently, to paint a clear and concise picture of a mentally ill woman more than capable of commiting mass murder, yet, despite what his supporters would like us to believe, there really isn't anything in Sheila's past which indicates such high levels of violence.

It has been argued that the police wouldn't have taken any notice of what Jeremy told them. Because he was their only frame of reference, they clearly did, and I don't believe they chose to take on board some of the information he fed them, whilst disregarding other parts.

Without Jeremy's presence, whilst I don't believe it would have ended more happily, it might have been accomplished faster and more efficiently.

I don't think we'll ever know Jane. Maybe Len Foakes or Barbara Wilson would have telephoned the Police in the morning upon discovery of the non-activity. Jeremy would have been told at some stage and come out with the same story, unless I'm missing something here.

[Jane]

I don't think we'll ever know Jane. Maybe Len Foakes or Barbara Wilson would have telephoned the Police in the morning upon discovery of the non-activity. Jeremy would have been told at some stage and come out with the same story, unless I'm missing something here.

Steve, perhaps I should have been more clear. What I meant was, had Jeremy done nothing more than contact police about the alleged call from Nevill, the soc police would have been left to their own devices without Jeremy's input/interference, and I believe, would have carried out the task more efficiently. I has, however, been pointed out to me that he needed to turn up after police because he needed them to see him arrive, thus providing him with an alibi. Nonetheless, I believe he deliberately hindered them.

[JackieD]

Steve, perhaps I should have been more clear. What I meant was, had Jeremy done nothing more than contact police about the alleged call from Nevill, the soc police would have been left to their own devices without Jeremy's input/interference, and I believe, would have carried out the task more efficiently. I has, however, been pointed out to me that he needed to turn up after police because he needed them to see him arrive, thus providing him with an alibi. Nonetheless, I believe he deliberately hindered them.

As usual Janes theories
Shame you don’t know the facts or there might not be an innocent man in prison

[Steve_uk]

As usual Janes theories
Shame you don’t know the facts or there might not be an innocent man in prison

Facts you don't know: he was proud of his sister whilst he was at Gresham's and basking in some of her photographic glory, showing her image to impressionable fellow-pupils. But as Sheila slowly disintegrated before his very eyes he became revulsed by her slovenly appearance, envious of her Maida Vale flat, bitter that he had to go out for a living whilst she was being maintained by their parents, and resentful of the love they showered on Nicholas and Daniel when he reminisced on his own loveless childhood, so much so that he began to hypothesize on a future without them all..

[guest29835]

Facts you don't know: he was proud of his sister whilst he was at Gresham's and basking in some of her photographic glory, showing her image to impressionable fellow-pupils. But as Sheila slowly disintegrated before his very eyes he became revulsed by her slovenly appearance, envious of her Maida Vale flat, bitter that he had to go out for a living whilst she was being maintained by their parents, and resentful of the love they showered on Nicholas and Daniel when he reminisced on his own loveless childhood, so much so that he began to hypothesize on a future without them all..

None of these are facts.  And even if what you say is true, none of it proves murder.

[Robittybob1]

None of these are facts.  And even if what you say is true, none of it proves murder.

It was a circumstantial evidence case, so these all add up in the end.

[guest29835]

It was a circumstantial evidence case, so these all add up in the end.

No they don't.  None of the points Steve mentions above are circumstantial evidence.  None of them are facts anyway.  None of it is proof, or anywhere near. 

Please tell me you and Steve have never served on juries.  In any event, could you please assure the rest of us that if called to serve, you will decline?  I would genuinely fear for the rights of an accused.

[Robittybob1]

No they don't.  None of the points Steve mentions above are circumstantial evidence.  None of them are facts anyway.  None of it is proof, or anywhere near. 

Please tell me you and Steve have never served on juries.  In any event, could you please assure the rest of us that if called to serve, you will decline?  I would genuinely fear for the rights of an accused.

Well I've never been asked to attend for jury service. 

[Robittybob1]

None of these are facts.  And even if what you say is true, none of it proves murder.

How do you determine what is a fact as opposed to something that is true.
Take the jealousy that Jeremy had toward his sister over the house as mentioned before Jeremy was "envious of her Maida Vale flat, bitter that he had to go out for a living whilst she was being maintained by their parents ..."

Is that a fact?  Was it true?