The Baffling Mystery Of The Blood In The Silencer

[ngb1066]

Also Ali Dizaei: https://youtu.be/Av9UVcXX7Og

Yes, although he had a personal motive for fitting up the victim.  Challoner did not.  He simply liked fitting up people.  At one time from the late 1960 into the 1970s parts of the Met Police were riddled with corruption.  The Flying Squad in particular had a rough reputation, as well as the Vice Squad and the Drug Squad at differing times.  Look up Drury, Virgo and Moody.  Operation Countryman helped a lot and things are better now.  There are individual bent police officers and sometimes a local squad has gone bent, but corruption going to very senior levels infecting entire squads has I believe now all but disappeared.     

[ngb1066]

Strange thing to do.

Do you believe the relatives or police fabricated the silencer?

I do not know.  I am very suspicious about much of the evidence surrounding the silencer(s).  However I have never made direct accusations against any of the relatives.  I do not believe a silencer was used.

[JackieD]

I do not know.  I am very suspicious about much of the evidence surrounding the silencer(s).  However I have never made direct accusations against any of the relatives.  I do not believe a silencer was used.

Thank you

[lookout]

Strange thing to do.

Do you believe the relatives or police fabricated the silencer?

Adam could you explain why DB used a razor blade to scrape blood off a silencer before handing it to police ?

[lookout]

Did RWB cut his finger with the razor allowing his blood to contaminate the silencer, remembering that his blood group was the same as Sheila's but possibly wouldn't have been aware of at the time ?

[Adam]

I do not know.  I am very suspicious about much of the evidence surrounding the silencer(s).  However I have never made direct accusations against any of the relatives.  I do not believe a silencer was used.

Do you not believe Bamber would have chosen to use a silencer in a 2am massacre attempt?

[Adam]

Adam could you explain why DB used a razor blade to scrape blood off a silencer before handing it to police ?

I was not aware of this. Can you provide the source please.

[Adam]

It does seem like common sense to use one of the available silencers -

Less likely Nicholas will hear Daniel get shot. Or vice versa.

Impossible for Nevill, June & Sheila to wake as the twins are being shot.

Less likely Nevill will hear June being shot. Although he did move just before receiving a third face shot.

Impossible for Sheila to wake as Nevill and June are being shot.

[lookout]

I was not aware of this. Can you provide the source please.

It's common knowledge. If I can remember this then surely you can. DB performed this " task " on his kitchen table where AE had also described a blob of blood looking like jam.

[Adam]

https://youtu.be/SNrlfDPC_xs

This has been posted before.

[Adam]

https://youtu.be/hwN8FJMOy6s

Here is a new one. It is a slightly different rifle as it holds only 6 bullets.

From 3 minutes it shows the rifle being fired with & without the silencer on. Quite a big difference.

It also shows how easy it is to put a silencer on. Bamber could have done this upon arrival. He said he left it off when going to shoot rabbits.

Obviously it would be common sense for him to use an available silencer.

[David1819]

The silencer is this case was made very little difference to the human ear.

"The reconstruction was held on an Army range after the court took a 28-mile drive in a police escorted convoy so that firearms expert Malcolm Fletcher could demonstrate the gun. The Chelmsford Crown Court jury of seven men and five women had asked to hear the sound of shots fired from the semi-automatic weapon. Mr Fletcher fired the un-silenced rifle five times into a huge block of soap which absorbed the impact of the bullets. Then he fired four times with the silencer in place. There appeared to be very little difference."

It was designed for rabbits.

In America you can get good silencers, but they would not be legal here.

[Adam]

'A little difference' can mean a lot. Espescially when two targets are in the same room.

A silencer was available for a 2am silent massacre attempt. No reason not to use it.

[JackieD]

It does seem like common sense to use one of the available silencers -

Less likely Nicholas will hear Daniel get shot. Or vice versa.

Impossible for Nevill, June & Sheila to wake as the twins are being shot.

Less likely Nevill will hear June being shot. Although he did move just before receiving a third face shot.

Impossible for Sheila to wake as Nevill and June are being shot.

It’s one of life’s mysteries why anyone ever replies to you

[guest29835]

Google Harold Challoner.  Corrupt Met Police officer.  Fitted up people he knew to be innocent.  I knew one of his victims.

Possibly that IS an example.  I wish one of the other posters had yesterday just done what you have just done, instead of taking us round the houses.

I accept that a police officer could take a disliking to somebody and decide to fit them up for something.  In Challoner case, it was claimed he was mentally-ill, but we'll disregard that and just assume that Challoner is an example.  However, what some people here are suggesting is that Stan Jones or some other police officer involved in this, has intentionally gone about framing Jeremy KNOWING HIM TO BE INNOCENT.

That's a big accusation to make.  So far, I see no evidence for it.

So far, what the evidence tells me is that there was a solid basis to look at Jeremy, Stan Jones decided it was Jeremy, and set about shaping the evidence to make it stick.  That's no commentary on whether Jeremy did it or not, but arguably that was unprofessional and jeopardises the safety of the conviction.  However, it's very far removed from knowing Jeremy to be innocent and then fitting him up.