The Baffling Mystery Of The Blood In The Silencer

[Steve_uk]

You're joking, surely?  Virtually every post you make involves lying or dissembling in some way.  I suggest if anybody wants to see examples, just to click on your profile and search your posts.  Why should I post examples?  And I've given you an example anyway.

You see you've moved the goalposts again, haven't you? Now I challenged you to point out three lies out of 12000 posts you've retreated to dissembling. By the way I'm glad you're reading Clare Powell's book, even though on a previous occasion you disdained such literature. It will give you the background and help you understand why some of us feel so passionately about the case, despite your assertion that Jeremy Bamber has done his time and should be released.

[guest29835]

You see you've moved the goalposts again, haven't you? Now I challenged you to point out three lies out of 12000 posts you've retreated to dissembling. By the way I'm glad you're reading Clare Powell's book, even though on a previous occasion you disdained such literature. It will give you the background and help you understand why some of us feel so passionately about the case, despite your assertion that Jeremy Bamber has done his time and should be released.

I've answered the question.  I'm not picking out three examples.  There are approximately 12,000 examples and counting.  Anybody interested should go to your profile and start reading.  Practically everything you post is dishonest.

And also, I did give one example above.  Why should I give another two?  What does that add?  Again, nothing.

You're just a grunting monkey. 

[Adam]

The relatives would need to do the following things. I have added a few things -


Have the idea.

Agree with each other to attempt this. Knowing the consequences if caught.

Agree with each other to attempt this knowing how much work will be needed & how much they need to find out.

Know if successful, it still may not convict Bamber if there is strong evidence incriminating Sheila.

Know Sheila had received contact shots.

Know whether the other deceased people received contact shots.

Know where each person's contact shots were. Some areas are more likely to provide back splatter.

Know there was no blood on the rifle barrel.

Know Sheila could not shoot herself with the silencer attached.

Know a silencer was not found next to Sheila.

Know about back splatter.

Know how to insert back splatter.

Know Sheila's blood group.

Know the blood group of the other deceased people.

Know whether any of themselves had the same blood group as Sheila.

Know there was no other evidence which incriminated Sheila.

Know the crime scene photographs did not show the aga.

Know there was a kitchen fight where the rifle was used.

Know whether the silencers had already been looked at by police.

Believe the police will bother to do something once they receive the silencer.

Act quickly & submit the silencer straight away. Time was not on their side.

Accept they may be wrong & Sheila may be guilty. Meaning they are attempting to frame an innocent man.

Accept a free Bamber may attempt revenge if he finds out the relatives turned on him.

Not retract a word of their statements.

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Thought QCChevalier would have been all over this post.

[guest29835]

Thought QCChevalier would have been all over this post.

Normally I would be, as I like your posts and your style.  I also have a plausible theory for the four bullet cases upstairs and the police moving Sheila's body prior to photography, but I'll keep it to myself now or maybe post it to Mike if he gives me his address.

I don't want to post here any more as I need to break the cycle of abuse. 

Steve is an abuser, and like all abusers, he turns his victims into abusers.  I have now started abusing him.  That needs to stop.

The way I see it is:

Monkeys have free speech.

Intelligent men think before they speak.

I'll leave you to entertain the resident monkey.  He's already dragged me down to his level.

[JackieD]

Well you know him better than any of us, and if a man says he is innocent, then he needs people to speak for him. 

I really don't know.  There are questions I would like to ask him. 

I'd like to ask him:

Did you kill those two innocent little boys, your nephews, as they slept in their beds? 

Did you kill your father, Nevill, who gave you everything and offered you a future? 

Did you kill June, your mother, who chose you and took you in as her own son, and who wrote a note saying how much she loved you? 

Did you kill your sister, Sheila? 

I'd like to look him in the eyes when I ask him.

I think at the trial his barrister should have asked him those questions over and over again until he broke down.

But he may not have because he realised that Jeremy's heart was not in the family.  He was an adopted son, he didn't share the genetics of his immediate and extended families, he didn't fit, and he knew it. 

That does not mean Jeremy is guilty, though.

The conversations we had were nothing like most people would imagine.
Everything was quite lighthearted and not to much about the case. He never said anything bad about Julie which you would expect but he spoke a lot about the police and how he had always trusted the police and couldn’t believe how some of the evidence had to be tampered with. He never asked me for money and never tried to push the point of his innocence. He did talk about his dad a lot and talked a lot about he had no real idea about Sheila’s illness and he talked about how many people had written to him and turned out to be not who they said they were. I never asked to visit him because I wasn’t really important in regard to his case.
That’s why I react when I get referred to as a bamberette by people like Steve

[JackieD]

I asked you to give me three examples of where I have lied. It shouldn't be so difficult out of 12000 posts, should it?

Let’s start with the kit car

[Adam]

Hopefully someone else will disect post 90.

The relatives would need to -

Know about back splatter.

Have the fabrication idea.

Weigh up the advantages & disadvantages & decide to go ahead.

Get 13 pieces of crime scene information. Including from the kitchen.

Find out the blood groups of the deceased. Not sure if the police had that.

Find out each others blood groups.

Find out how to insert blood into the silencer.

[Roch]

Hopefully someone else will disect post 90.

The relatives would need to -

Find out the blood groups of the deceased. Not sure if the police had that.

Find out each others blood groups.

Find out how to insert blood into the silencer.

There was a blood grouping in the silencer that matched Pamela and David Boutflour's blood group.

The defence should have known about this and somebody could have asked those two people how it ended up being there.

[Adam]

There was a blood grouping in the silencer that matched Pamela and David Boutflour's blood group.

The defence should have known about this and somebody could have asked those two people how it ended up being there.

How did the relatives find out who had a contact shot and where?

How did the relatives find out the 5 deceased people's blood groups?

[David1819]

Hopefully someone else will disect post 90.

The relatives would need to -

Know about back splatter.

Have the fabrication idea.

Weigh up the advantages & disadvantages & decide to go ahead.

Get 13 pieces of crime scene information. Including from the kitchen.

Find out the blood groups of the deceased. Not sure if the police had that.

Find out each others blood groups.

Find out how to insert blood into the silencer.

AE knew from Julie (after the mortuary visit) that Nevill had been beaten.

AE knew from the police where Nevil was found.

AE would have seen the blue coat hanging over the mantleshelf obscuring it from crime scene photos.

AE had Sheila's bloody underwear. No need to know any blood groups, that is a no brainer.

[Adam]

AE knew from Julie (after the mortuary visit) that Nevill had been beaten.

AE knew from the police where Nevil was found.

AE would have seen the blue coat hanging over the mantleshelf obscuring it from crime scene photos.

AE had Sheila's bloody underwear. No need to know any blood groups, that is a no brainer.

Thank goodness for Julie, the police and a blue coat. Together with the pro active & observant AE.

No one believes the relatives got diluted period blood from a bucket. The relatives would still need to know the blood groups of the other 4 people. Together with who received a contact shot and where.

[Roch]

Thank goodness for Julie, the police and a blue coat. Together with the pro active & observant AE.

No one believes the relatives got diluted period blood from a bucket. The relatives would still need to know the blood groups of the other 4 people. Together with who received a contact shot and where.

The police could just choose to ignore / withold any other blood groups that were found.  The relatives may have known this in advance. After all, it was a 'noble cause'.

[David1819]

The relatives would still need to know the blood groups of the other 4 people. Together with who received a contact shot and where.

No they didn't. If they did know then they would have thought it nesissary to put blood from Nicholas inside the moderator also.

[Adam]

No they didn't. If they did know then they would have thought it nesissary to put blood from Nicholas inside the moderator also.

So they found out Sheila's blood group. Then tested each other to see if anyone has the same blood group. Then put RB's blood into a silencer. Hopeing that the other 4 deceased people didn't have the same blood group as Sheila.

You need to abandon the diluted period blood in a bucket of water theory. Even Bamber & Mike have not suggested this since 1985.

[Adam]

The relatives would need to -


Have the idea.

Agree with each other to attempt this. Knowing the consequences if caught.

Know if successful, it still may not convict Bamber if there is strong evidence incriminating Sheila.

Know Sheila had received contact shots.

Know whether the other deceased people received contact shots.

Know where each person's contact shots were. Some areas are more likely to provide back splatter.

Know there was no blood on the rifle barrel.

Know Sheila could not shoot herself with the silencer attached.

Know about back splatter.

Know how to insert back splatter.

Know Sheila's blood group.

Know the blood group of the other deceased people.

Know whether any of themselves had the same blood group as Sheila.

Know there was no other evidence which incriminated Sheila.

Know the crime scene photographs did not show the aga.

Know whether the silencers had already been looked at by police.

Act quickly & submit the silencer straight away. Time was not on their side.

Accept they may be wrong & Sheila may be guilty. Meaning they are framing an innocent man.

Not retract a word of their statements.

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Obviously impossible for the relatives to do all this.

These will still apply even if the relatives somehow used diluted period blood in a bucket of water.

Unless the relatives just hoped the other deceased relatives had a different blood group to Sheila.

At least you do not believe RB put his own blood into the silencer.