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Re: Brief Thoughts On The Case
« Reply #60 on: July 31, 2020, 05:37:PM »
He would have been in shock.

What objects would he touch between his bed and kitchen? Nevill's palm print was just outside the kitchen door.


Have you got a source on the stair carpet?

Are you saying Nevill was not shot in the main bedroom? Four bullet casings show he was.

Where do you believe Nevill received his first 4 shots?

At the moment, I don't know.

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« Reply #61 on: July 31, 2020, 09:16:PM »
He would have been in shock.

What objects would he touch between his bed and kitchen? Nevill's palm print was just outside the kitchen door.


Have you got a source on the stair carpet?

Are you saying Nevill was not shot in the main bedroom? Four bullet casings show he was.

Where do you believe Nevill received his first 4 shots?

I should have added: the bullet cases do not prove that Nevill was shot in the master bedroom.

In fact, there is no evidence that Nevill was shot while he was in the master bedroom. 

One minor but important point the prosecution do have going for them here is that, for forensic reasons, Jeremy would be keen not to enter into a direct physical struggle with any of the victims, including Nevill.  This may go some way to explaining why a drowsy/sleepy 61 year old who had already been shot twice in the face, at least once while still asleep, was able to get out of bed and escape the master bedroom without being bludgeoned by Jeremy.

I still find it a stretch, though.  Furthermore, Nevill's blood was not found in the master bedroom or on the stairs or on the landing or in the main foyer - the exception being two isolated spots of blood on the stairway wallpaper and the jamb between the kitchen and the main foyer.

For me, it's just doesn't add up.

Nevill would be in pain and shock, bleeding, sleepy and drowsy.  You're saying he was first shot while still asleep, was shot three more times but still manages to make it all the way to the kitchen in quite a large house.  Sorry Adam, it doesn't work.

There's also the idea that Jeremy shot June five times at this stage.  Why would he spend so much ammunition on June before dealing with Nevill?

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« Reply #62 on: July 31, 2020, 09:53:PM »
They were all shot in bed. With a silencer attached.

Nicholas & Daniel never woke or moved. June moved a few feet after 5 shots. Nevill moved after 2 shots.

Nothing there would wake Sheila up. Who was in another room.

All evidence.
OK I accept the kids and June were shot in their beds, but remind me how you figure Nevill was shot in his bed.  What bed was he in?
And how do you figure the silencer was attached?

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Re: Brief Thoughts On The Case
« Reply #63 on: July 31, 2020, 10:37:PM »
OK I accept the kids and June were shot in their beds, but remind me how you figure Nevill was shot in his bed.  What bed was he in?
And how do you figure the silencer was attached?

Nevill was shot twice in bed. From June's side of the bed. He was then shot twice in the torso while standing.

There was a silencer available to use. It would be appropriate to use one in a silent massacre attempt. The silencer had Sheila's blood and the aga paint on.
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Re: Brief Thoughts On The Case
« Reply #64 on: July 31, 2020, 10:41:PM »
I should have added: the bullet cases do not prove that Nevill was shot in the master bedroom.

In fact, there is no evidence that Nevill was shot while he was in the master bedroom. 

One minor but important point the prosecution do have going for them here is that, for forensic reasons, Jeremy would be keen not to enter into a direct physical struggle with any of the victims, including Nevill.  This may go some way to explaining why a drowsy/sleepy 61 year old who had already been shot twice in the face, at least once while still asleep, was able to get out of bed and escape the master bedroom without being bludgeoned by Jeremy.

I still find it a stretch, though.  Furthermore, Nevill's blood was not found in the master bedroom or on the stairs or on the landing or in the main foyer - the exception being two isolated spots of blood on the stairway wallpaper and the jamb between the kitchen and the main foyer.

For me, it's just doesn't add up.

Nevill would be in pain and shock, bleeding, sleepy and drowsy.  You're saying he was first shot while still asleep, was shot three more times but still manages to make it all the way to the kitchen in quite a large house.  Sorry Adam, it doesn't work.

There's also the idea that Jeremy shot June five times at this stage.  Why would he spend so much ammunition on June before dealing with Nevill?

Please refer to posts 55, 56 & 57 regarding any blood from Nevill.

I agree that Bamber would not want to fight Nevill. Which is why he shot him 4 times. Bamber stepped back as a 6.4 Nevill came towards the bedroom door.

Who do you believe Sheila shot first?
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Re: Brief Thoughts On The Case
« Reply #65 on: July 31, 2020, 10:47:PM »
Nevill was shot twice in bed. From June's side of the bed. He was then shot twice in the torso while standing.

There was a silencer available to use. It would be appropriate to use one in a silent massacre attempt. The silencer had Sheila's blood and the aga paint on.
If he was shot twice in the same bed as June, you would expect blood on his side of the bed.  Is there a photo showing blood on that side?    If there were two in a bed a male and a female who would you shoot first?

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« Reply #66 on: July 31, 2020, 10:54:PM »
If he was shot twice in the same bed as June, you would expect blood on his side of the bed.  Is there a photo showing blood on that side?    If there were two in a bed a male and a female who would you shoot first?

Please refer to posts 55, 56 & 57 regarding the blood.

Eight/nine shots into Nevill & June would have been sufficient. Providing Nevill received 3/4 head shots. He only received two.

June may have died after her 5 shots. But Bamber had no time to waste & had already re loaded. So fired two more.

Where do you believe Nevill received his first 4 shots? The bullet casings show the main bedroom.
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« Reply #67 on: July 31, 2020, 10:55:PM »
Please refer to posts 55, 56 & 57 regarding any blood from Nevill.

I agree that Bamber would not want to fight Nevill. Which is why he shot him 4 times. Bamber stepped back as a 6.4 Nevill came towards the bedroom door.

Who do you believe Sheila shot first?

Nevill.

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Re: Brief Thoughts On The Case
« Reply #68 on: July 31, 2020, 10:59:PM »
It would seem logical for Bamber to shoot Nevill 8 times in a row. With the re load after 4 shots.

He had to re load in the kitchen & Nevill was there. Immobilised but still breathing. He didn't need to rush back upstairs. June & the twins had been shot 7 times & Sheila was asleep.
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Re: Brief Thoughts On The Case
« Reply #69 on: July 31, 2020, 11:01:PM »
Nevill.

Let me know when you decide where.
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Re: Brief Thoughts On The Case
« Reply #70 on: July 31, 2020, 11:07:PM »
June may have been dead on the floor when Bamber returned upstairs.

However she had moved & Bamber automatically fired two head shots into her.
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« Reply #71 on: August 01, 2020, 12:51:AM »
Let me know when you decide where.

Just waiting for a robin to tell me.

Thanks Adam.

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Re: Brief Thoughts On The Case
« Reply #72 on: August 01, 2020, 01:37:AM »
None of Nevils blood was on the main bedroom floor. Adam believes, Jeremy (who had plenty of experience shooting) Fired 9 shots at two sleeping targets at point blank range and failed to kill them. Nevil then ran past Jeremy while containing his blood so he could spill it all outside the bedroom.
That seems to be impossible if he was shot in the bedroom.

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Re: Brief Thoughts On The Case
« Reply #73 on: August 01, 2020, 01:42:AM »
That seems to be impossible if he was shot in the bedroom.

Some people believe Nevill was downstairs at the start of the incident. 

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Re: Brief Thoughts On The Case
« Reply #74 on: August 01, 2020, 01:47:AM »
Some people believe Nevill was downstairs at the start of the incident.
That might make more sense to me.  But I really don't know for sure, but I never saw any blood showing Nevill was in bed when shot.