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chochokeira

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #525 on: July 05, 2011, 10:58:AM »
Jackie - I've not been involved in this long-running NGB war/love-in, but isn't the key point that NGB seemed to be wrong on a key point of defamation law? Are you contesting that that is not the case?

(for what it's worth I always found NGB to be a decent chap in his forum dealings and will miss his contributions - not sure why you've said you have made sure he will never post again? Could he not hang around and argue his case, barrister-style?!)
What some people do not realise is that different barristers specialise in various points of law. For instance. I know a Christian barrister in Cornwall who specialises in family law. All barristers and even judges have to refer to lawbooks if there is an article of law that they are unsure of. You will find this with every barrister, solicitor and judge. He was speaking from experience. You as a laymen of course may have an advantage over barristers and even judges in that all you need to do rather than study for years to be qualified as a barrister is to look it up on the internet, therefore making you an overnight qualified barrister. But I'm afraid that all us laymen have one big disadvantage. In that whilst we may look very knowledgeable to other with our cursory looks on the law pages and cut and paste methods and may for a time rejoice in trying to make the expert look foolish. Is that in reality we are just...."laymen" and therefore are all basically "ignorant" of the real issues at stake. So may I cordially ask that you please leave ngb alone and maybe we who care about others may once again enjoy his posts?


I agree with your views on this, Grahame. This issue cannot be dismissed as 'boring', if it was boring it would n not attract continuing interest and comments. Many of us value ngb's contribution to the forum, he should not be hounded off by personal attacks which wrongly allege that ngb is lying when he - correctly - states that he is a qualified and experienced barrister who no longer practices.

Any one of us has any right to challenge the views of ngb or those of any other forum member as long as we do so respectfully. This challenge, however, was made in the form of a highly disrespectful personal attack on ngb which which should not have occurred.

When ngb requested support from moderators regarding this, he was told that his professional credentials were not being called into question and initially, along with Gerald, was effectively told to go and "play nicely".

Apologies fo the ed: messing up all my posts today by posting in mad rush from my office
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chochokeira

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #526 on: July 05, 2011, 11:13:AM »
To be fair, he did state that he'd been involved in many defamation cases.

This is getting a tad boring though, he could claim to be the prime minister for all I care, as long as he is civil to others, which for the most part he has been as far as I can see.
It may be becoming a tad boring to you Hartley. But to the one who has this near libellous accusations levelled at him constantly they are becoming more and more distressing and I intend to put a stop to it one way or another.

I think it's a tad boring to everyone.

Finish it then, lock the thread, have a word with the mods and the people involved, take it to PM's rather than on the public boards.

Issue warning or bans, temporary or permanent, delete posts, etc, etc.

It really shouldn't be this difficult.
Hartley I am the kind of person that likes to think the best in people to be adult enough to control their own childish behaviour. There are 7 moderators in this forum. But it seems that I am the only one who has gut enough to admit there is a serious problem with a few posters which by some strange fluke always seem to be in the anti bamber camp who are also it seems to me to be backed up by the anti bamber moderators. I don't know about you, but to me there seems to be some kind of unequal judgement on the part of those particular moderator. The others it seems to me are afraid to take a stand against it? I'm sorry, but this has to be said publically whether folk like it or not.

You are not alone in taking this view, Grahame, I too am concerned about this issue and I know that I am not the only mod who shares your view.
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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #527 on: July 05, 2011, 11:21:AM »
To be fair, he did state that he'd been involved in many defamation cases.

This is getting a tad boring though, he could claim to be the prime minister for all I care, as long as he is civil to others, which for the most part he has been as far as I can see.
It may be becoming a tad boring to you Hartley. But to the one who has this near libellous accusations levelled at him constantly they are becoming more and more distressing and I intend to put a stop to it one way or another.

I think it's a tad boring to everyone.

Finish it then, lock the thread, have a word with the mods and the people involved, take it to PM's rather than on the public boards.

Issue warning or bans, temporary or permanent, delete posts, etc, etc.

It really shouldn't be this difficult.
Hartley I am the kind of person that likes to think the best in people to be adult enough to control their own childish behaviour. There are 7 moderators in this forum. But it seems that I am the only one who has gut enough to admit there is a serious problem with a few posters which by some strange fluke always seem to be in the anti bamber camp who are also it seems to me to be backed up by the anti bamber moderators. I don't know about you, but to me there seems to be some kind of unequal judgement on the part of those particular moderator. The others it seems to me are afraid to take a stand against it? I'm sorry, but this has to be said publically whether folk like it or not.

You are not alone in taking this view, Grahame, I too am concerned about this issue and I know that I am only mod who shares your view.

Well I've openly challenged John / Jerry several times so I do not agree with that assessment grahame.  With regards to paulg, he appears to have taken a stance on what he genuinely believes (rightly or wrongly in technical terms).  Perhaps he could have been more neutral. 

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #528 on: July 05, 2011, 11:30:AM »
To be fair, he did state that he'd been involved in many defamation cases.

This is getting a tad boring though, he could claim to be the prime minister for all I care, as long as he is civil to others, which for the most part he has been as far as I can see.
It may be becoming a tad boring to you Hartley. But to the one who has this near libellous accusations levelled at him constantly they are becoming more and more distressing and I intend to put a stop to it one way or another.

I think it's a tad boring to everyone.

Finish it then, lock the thread, have a word with the mods and the people involved, take it to PM's rather than on the public boards.

Issue warning or bans, temporary or permanent, delete posts, etc, etc.

It really shouldn't be this difficult.
Hartley I am the kind of person that likes to think the best in people to be adult enough to control their own childish behaviour. There are 7 moderators in this forum. But it seems that I am the only one who has gut enough to admit there is a serious problem with a few posters which by some strange fluke always seem to be in the anti bamber camp who are also it seems to me to be backed up by the anti bamber moderators. I don't know about you, but to me there seems to be some kind of unequal judgement on the part of those particular moderator. The others it seems to me are afraid to take a stand against it? I'm sorry, but this has to be said publically whether folk like it or not.

You are not alone in taking this view, Grahame, I too am concerned about this issue and I know that I am only mod who shares your view.

In Gerald's case it would be very useful if you could list the exact dialogue that Gerald has used that has caused offense and list what rules were broken so us evil anti Bamber crew are aware of what is and is not acceptable.

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #529 on: July 05, 2011, 11:41:AM »
Simong
I have it on good authority from my legal sources that Paulg could be in trouble for what he has written perhaps he would like to pop off to the golf club for some legal advice to see what his position is

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #530 on: July 05, 2011, 11:47:AM »
Simong
I have it on good authority from my legal sources that Paulg could be in trouble for what he has written perhaps he would like to pop off to the golf club for some legal advice to see what his position is

Thanks for that Jackie, I am sure Paul is quaking in his boots.

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #531 on: July 05, 2011, 11:47:AM »
What absolute rubbish from Paul as he is 100% sure Ngb is wrong let's hope he is ready to put his
Money where his mouth is as he is a betting man

Rocky can you not see what is going on maybe I let the cat out of the bag about Ngb helping Jeremy and the anti JB people have made sure he is now gone

So far at least Paulg is saying  Ngb doesn't know what he is talking about and John day after day was vile to Ngb

I pray that I can pursuade Ngb to take legal action against Paulg

How long is this goading going to go on

As for Hartley he can butt out I want everyone to know what levels people will go to in their efforts to disadvantage JB

Don't forget it was Ngb who explained in detail how Sheila was physically possible to carry out the murders

Ngb believes 100% Jeremy is innocent

I don't want these posts removed I want Paul hung out to dry over this

It did occur to me that with ngb being 'prize' poster that he would sooner or later attract negative attention from somewhere.  However I do think it works both ways.  Certain prominent posters on the other side have took some flak also.  Now I don't agree with some of their opinions or stances but it is a forum... and I think for the most part, Mike's knowledge of the case and the evidence he has available is strong enough to place the pro camp in the leading position here. 

About the mod thing, I have challenged several posters on the anti-side both openly and by pm.  I have also pm'd pro posters when posts have been reported to the mods.  Everyone has different sensibilities and it is difficult to keep everyone on board without running the risk of sterilising the forum.  Nobody wants a forum devoid of any disagreements, where everyone posts like a Stepford Wife, frightened to express any humour or sarcasm. 
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Jackiepreece

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #532 on: July 05, 2011, 11:51:AM »
Rochy
Do you not get the point!!!!

Thats exactly what is going on here trying to make everyone scared to say anything about Mugford or the relatives

Surely you can see that its not rocket science
That was what was going on all day yesterday and last night

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #533 on: July 05, 2011, 12:00:PM »
As for Hartley he can butt out I want everyone to know what levels people will go to in their efforts to disadvantage JB

Yes I will gladly but out. Save your animosity for somebody else please.

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #534 on: July 05, 2011, 12:02:PM »
Rochy
Do you not get the point!!!!

Thats exactly what is going on here trying to make everyone scared to say anything about Mugford or the relatives

Surely you can see that its not rocket science
That was what was going on all day yesterday and last night

Jackie, could this issue not be got around by stating 'in my opinion' and 'may' as opposed to 'is' when referring to Julie Mugford or the relatives.  E.G. 'In my opinion, Julie Mugford may be lying about this'

I think this was stated by a couple of posters last night.  I also stated last night that I didn't think there was any danger to posters because it's not like any of the prosecution witnesses or marple-ites are interested in taking up a polygraph test.

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #535 on: July 05, 2011, 12:17:PM »
Rochford
As plain as anything (and backed up by people who have sent me pm s)  it was to get rid of Ngb because of his experience and to stop us saying anything about the relatives and JM

I am clear on that

Ngb and I have become friends over the last few months and if I had said anything that would have got me in trouble legally he would have warned me

He hasnt

Do I trust him
Yes

Do I trust some of the other posters on here who are saying he doesnt know what he is talking about

No I dont

If they were right me and shona would be looking at 20 years inside for what we have said about Mugford

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #536 on: July 05, 2011, 12:20:PM »
hello all  :)


Do any of jbs "family" actually look at this board? or even old muggy herself?



hartley

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #537 on: July 05, 2011, 12:21:PM »
Yes.

Not sure about JM though.

andrea

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #538 on: July 05, 2011, 12:22:PM »
Yes.

Not sure about JM though.




so hartley the family then look at this board, have they ever indicated to you that what is wrote on here is in their opinion libellous?

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #539 on: July 05, 2011, 12:24:PM »
Rochford
As plain as anything (and backed up by people who have sent me pm s)  it was to get rid of Ngb because of his experience and to stop us saying anything about the relatives and JM

I am clear on that

Ngb and I have become friends over the last few months and if I had said anything that would have got me in trouble legally he would have warned me

He hasnt

Do I trust him
Yes

Do I trust some of the other posters on here who are saying he doesnt know what he is talking about

No I dont

If they were right me and shona would be looking at 20 years inside for what we have said about Mugford

I assume the pm's that backed up your theory were from pro JB supporters. A poor analogy but, If you ask Man Utd fans who the best team in England is they will say Man Utd, ask City fans the same question and you will get a different answer. Hope you get the point.  :)