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« Reply #270 on: June 10, 2021, 06:49:PM »
Its a bloodstain, I have already seen the autopsy image your are referring to.  8)

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« Reply #271 on: June 10, 2021, 07:00:PM »
...a cut abrasion or scratch is not hard to differentiate between a blood stain... I only see blood and no scratch, abrasion or anything else.

Are you referring to MS37 on page 2 of CASE RELATED PHOTOS?  This is a lower def image. You can still make out were the skin has scraped, next to each crescent-like wound.  On higher-def, one of the crescents is more like an S shape and the scraped skin is easier to differentiate.  But have it your way.  I cant be arsed to go round in circles.  You can't be made to see that which you do not want to see.
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« Reply #272 on: June 10, 2021, 07:11:PM »
Roch who is the other lad?

Mark Dallagher.  Peter Vanezis owes him a pint.  He did seven years.

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« Reply #273 on: June 10, 2021, 07:21:PM »
Obviously the pathologist could see them. What I meant before was, could he have been preoccupied with bullet wounds?  He helped wrongly send another man down, so he's not infallible. The judge sent down the Bridgewater Four and he prosecuted them Shrewsbury pickets.

It is possible a pathologist could miss minor but significant wounds such as cuts and abrasions.  When all is said and done, a cut is just a break in the skin.  An experienced person could miss it quite easily.

Probably somebody should research what the process is for dealing with dried blood, but I would imagine that the pathologist's assistant would have cleaned all the blood away prior to post mortem on the basis that the photographs and crime scene notes captured what needed to be known about post-mortem blood distribution.

Now think about what happens when you receive a cut.  After the blood is cleaned away, the presence of the cut, if minor, won't always be obvious.

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« Reply #274 on: June 10, 2021, 07:26:PM »
Mark Dallagher.  Peter Vanezis owes him a pint.  He did seven years.
I thought Vanezis said it could have been his ear print but couldn’t swear to it?  It was the other ear expert who said it was 100% Dallaghers left ear?

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« Reply #275 on: June 10, 2021, 07:29:PM »
It is possible a pathologist could miss minor but significant wounds such as cuts and abrasions.  When all is said and done, a cut is just a break in the skin.  An experienced person could miss it quite easily.

Probably somebody should research what the process is for dealing with dried blood, but I would imagine that the pathologist's assistant would have cleaned all the blood away prior to post mortem on the basis that the photographs and crime scene notes captured what needed to be known about post-mortem blood distribution.

Now think about what happens when you receive a cut.  After the blood is cleaned away, the presence of the cut, if minor, won't always be obvious.

I agree with you to some extent.  This is precisely why I believe it is a flawed argument to rely upon post mortem photographs of a washed body, to discern cuts.  However, some cuts are more obvious than others. Especially where there is skin discolouration or bruising.  PV could be fallible for some of the cuts.  Not certain.

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« Reply #276 on: June 10, 2021, 07:30:PM »
He knew that because his pencil was behind it.  ;D ( sorry folks )

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« Reply #277 on: June 10, 2021, 07:30:PM »
I thought Vanezis said it could have been his ear print but couldn’t swear to it?  It was the other ear expert who said it was 100% Dallaghers left ear?

PV only said it 'most likely' or 'more than likely'.  Cold comfort to Dallagher.

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« Reply #278 on: June 10, 2021, 07:47:PM »
He knew that because his pencil was behind it.  ;D ( sorry folks )
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« Reply #279 on: June 10, 2021, 08:20:PM »
I agree with you to some extent.  This is precisely why I believe it is a flawed argument to rely upon post mortem photographs of a washed body, to discern cuts.  However, some cuts are more obvious than others. Especially where there is skin discolouration or bruising.  PV could be fallible for some of the cuts.  Not certain.

The questions I would ask for the defence are:

1. Are the original crime scene photographs available for inspection?  Preferably this should be reproduction from the negatives.

2. Is an alternative expert forensic interpretation of these originals possible?  For instance, is there a pathological expert who can offer an opinion on whether the photographs show unrecorded wounds?

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« Reply #280 on: June 10, 2021, 08:30:PM »
The questions I would ask for the defence are:

1. Are the original crime scene photographs available for inspection?  Preferably this should be reproduction from the negatives.

2. Is an alternative expert forensic interpretation of these originals possible?  For instance, is there a pathological expert who can offer an opinion on whether the photographs show unrecorded wounds?

Herbert Leon McDonnell and Bernard Knight have seen the photos. The photos were also shown in court.

Even JBs own defense barrister said the blood on Sheila's arm are bloodstains from the neck wounds.

Bill should have gone to specksavers and Roch is too invested in their conspiracy theory.
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« Reply #281 on: June 10, 2021, 08:45:PM »
Herbert Leon McDonnell and Bernard Knight have seen the photos. The photos were also shown in court.

Even JBs own defense barrister said the blood on Sheila's arm are bloodstains from the neck wounds.

Bill should have gone to specksavers and Roch is too invested in their conspiracy theory.
The judge gives a thorough examination of the Autopsy photos and they were given to the Jury.

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« Reply #282 on: June 10, 2021, 09:03:PM »
Herbert Leon McDonnell and Bernard Knight have seen the photos. The photos were also shown in court.

Even JBs own defense barrister said the blood on Sheila's arm are bloodstains from the neck wounds.

Bill should have gone to specksavers and Roch is too invested in their conspiracy theory.

I'm sceptical about that.

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« Reply #283 on: June 10, 2021, 09:11:PM »
I'm sceptical about that.

Its in PVs cross examination, Trial transcript page 30. Even the defence barrister puts it to him that way.


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« Reply #284 on: June 10, 2021, 09:19:PM »
I mean I'm sceptical about the conclusion they have come to.