Det. Supt. 'Mick' Ainsley - oversight of corrupt practices

[Roch]

Any small amount of blood spatter that could have ended up on her, could not have been DNA tested as such technology didn't exist back then.

Blood grouping. It is also miraculous for her not to be marked. What's the percentage chance she could pull that off, with Nevill alerted?

[David1819]

Blood grouping. It is also miraculous for her not to be marked. What's the percentage chance she could pull that off, with Nevill alerted?

Nevill was shot 4 times as he came up the stairs. One of those shots caused a commuted fracture leaving him with only one arm he could move. The pathologist testified that he wouldn't have lived long after those four shots.

It was more or less over after Sheila empied the first magazine load. The rest was all overkill.

[Adam]

Nevill was shot 4 times as he came up the stairs. One of those shots caused a commuted fracture leaving him with only one arm he could move. The pathologist testified that he wouldn't have lived long after those four shots.

It was more or less over after Sheila empied the first magazine load. The rest was all overkill.

64. In respect of the eight shots into Nevill Bamber's body, the six to his head and face were fired when the rifle was within a few inches of the skin. The remaining injuries to the arm were caused when the gun was at least two feet from the body.

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Nevill was shot twice in the face as he was getting out of bed.  Then twice in the torso from at least 2 feet away when standing up.

[JackieD]

If that really is the case legal action should be taken against the prison (i.e. through the Home Office) to require that Jeremy be allowed his rights as a prisoner to see all of the case related material.  He cannot be denied the right to see anything provided by his legal team and communications from them cannot be inspected or impeded in any way.  It is true that there are categories of books and images which are not allowed to a prisoner but only where that is not case related material.  He is entitled to see and I know he has seen all of the photographs released at different stages by Essex Police and the CPS.  He also saw high definition images following the release of the negatives by Essex Police at the direction of the CCRC in 2011.  I really do doubt the information you have been given on this, although to be clear I do not doubt what you say you have been told.

What about all the case related documentation relating to Julie Mugford the star prosecution witness

[David1819]

64. In respect of the eight shots into Nevill Bamber's body, the six to his head and face were fired when the rifle was within a few inches of the skin. The remaining injuries to the arm were caused when the gun was at least two feet from the body.

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Nevill was shot twice in the face as he was getting out of bed.  Then twice in the torso from at least 2 feet away when standing up.

Didnt happen that way. There is no blood on Nevills side of the bed. None of Nevills blood group found on the bedroom carpet either.

[Roch]

What non disclosed wounds did Nevill have?

Off the top of my head I can't remember. I am also dubious of the official explanation for the marks on his arm.

[David1819]

Off the top of my head I can't remember. I am also dubious the official explanation for the marks on his arm.

Being caused by the barrell of the gun is dubious? Why?

[Roch]

Being caused by the barrell of the gun is dubious? Why?

First of all, what makes you think it's a reasonable explanation?

[Roch]

Being caused by the barrell of the gun is dubious? Why?

Hold out your forearm. Imagine another person weilding a lengthy instrument (such as a rifle) and trying to strike your forearm with the end of the barrel. Imagine the movement and the range of movement that person would need to make, in order to successfully strike the target (your forearm), repeatedly. Does your forearm move when it is struck? If so, how does the next blow still land as planned, near the previous blow?

[Adam]

Didnt happen that way. There is no blood on Nevills side of the bed. None of Nevills blood group found on the bedroom carpet either.

You know Nevill was in the process of getting of bed when he received his first two face shots. So no time for blood to gather and drop onto the bed.

Also no time for blood to drip through his pyjamas onto the floor from his two torso shots.

However if Bamber had used Dirty Harry's magnum....

[David1819]

First of all, what makes you think it's a reasonable explanation?

A -  The marks are circular and the same size as the barrel.

B -  Its stated in PVs original autopsy notes as such.

C -  Its omitted in PVs later statements when the prosecution believed a silencer was attached on the end of the barrel.

[David1819]

You know Nevill was in the process of getting of bed when he received his first two face shots. So no time for blood to gather and drop onto the bed.

Blood on Junes side of the bed and Junes blood on bedroom floor = Shot in bedroom and bed.

No blood on Nevills side of bed and none of Nevills blood on bedroom floor = Shot outside the bedroom.

There is a trail of blood across the kitchen floor leading to Nevils body, thus you cannot argue his pajamas contained his blood while he was moving.

[guest7363]

RJ, what crap is David challenging?

The crap about scratch marks on Sheila.

So for this to be true, your saying that Vanezis is either blind as a bat or telling complete utter lies to the court and  jury, so which is it you and Bill accuse him of being?   Because he’s put his career on the line, he’s actually examined the naked bodies, yet you and Bill are adamant he’s covered this part up from your observation of photos,  or does it go in the category of being economical with the truth.  All your doing is playing Charades with the evidence,  with Bamber and the CT feeding the SOUNDS likes.

[guest7363]

Jeremy was not allowed to view the high resolution images by the prison authorities because as a Cat A prisoner he is not permitted to see images of weapons. So, even though there were no pictures of the rifle in the high resolution images, because they were derived from a picture that did include the rifle he was not allowed to view them.

Have you seen these so called high resolution images of Sheila’s scratch marks, or are you going by what you’ve been told.  Do you still believe your FELLOW police officers have been economical with the truth and what do you mean by this.  I take it you mean Essex Police when you stated this?

[Adam]

Blood on Junes side of the bed and Junes blood on bedroom floor = Shot in bedroom and bed.

No blood on Nevills side of bed and none of Nevills blood on bedroom = Shot outside the bedroom.

There is a trial of blood across the kitchen floor leading to Nevils body, thus you cannot argue his pajamas contained his blood while he was moving.

June was shot 5 times in bed while sleeping. So was bleeding in bed for several seconds or minutes before moving.

Nevill was in bed for less than 3 seconds after his first shot.

Not surprised there is a trail of blood in the kitchen. Nevill had been brutally beaten, shot another 4 times and lifted onto a coal scuttle.