Discussion on motive

[lookout]

In her mental state Sheila would have been cack-handed in her handling of the rifle anyway and to perhaps have attempted to have fitted the silencer which needed screwing onto the rifle she gave up and either put it down somewhere in the farmhouse or inadvertently put it back in the cupboard---we don't know as she wasn't in a normal state of mind.
We've all put things down or away somewhere and forgotten where we put them, but without thinking, Sheila could easily have put a bloodied silencer back in the cupboard without thought that it could/would implicate someone else. Under those circumstances our minds would have worked differently--Jeremy's included.

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First post, can i ask ,on this forum, what is roughly the divide of members between Jeremy Bamber being guilty or not guilty .I was drawn to this case a long time ago. Try as i might i always come down on the innocent side, theres the odd doubt and niggle but through what i have learnt over the years i can't say guilty for sure.I won't say anymore for now as im sure i havnt anything to add that hasnt been said umpteen times before.Great forum though,i have already learnt plenty from browsing, thanks for having me onboard.

[arthur]

Don't see why Jeremy would clean the moderator. He would not notice small amounts of blood on and in a small dark item in dark rooms.

It may have been a spur of the moment decision to remove the silencer after shooting Sheila. After realising the rifle with moderator was too long. So he would not have had a pre arranged plan with it.

He put it away, almost hidden. Not expecting the police to look at it. They didn't.

On the issue of the trajectory of the shots. I mean how did JB carry out the murder of Sheila. Would he have had to kneel down in front of her and put the weapon up under her chin then shoot her...then as she was down, shoot her a second time.

Or did he order her to lie down. Would she have ran..maybe towards the children. Would she be calm enough just to obey his orders,She may well have been to petrified and did exactly as he ordered her to do.
It's a bit perplexing this aspect. Obviously he had to shoot her in a way that would be consistent with her turning the gun on herself. She wasn't knocked out first I don't think, so how was the first shot dispatched. The second shot and the placing of the bible and any note wouldn't be to difficult, just the first shot needs explaining.

[arthur]

First post, can i ask ,on this forum, what is roughly the divide of members between Jeremy Bamber being guilty or not guilty .I was drawn to this case a long time ago. Try as i might i always come down on the innocent side, theres the odd doubt and niggle but through what i have learnt over the years i can't say guilty for sure.I won't say anymore for now as im sure i havnt anything to add that hasnt been said umpteen times before.Great forum though,i have already learnt plenty from browsing, thanks for having me onboard.

I'm a newbie as well mush. I'm a bit on the fence..leaning towards guilty. But I'm open to persuasion, one way or the other.

[JackieD]

First post, can i ask ,on this forum, what is roughly the divide of members between Jeremy Bamber being guilty or not guilty .I was drawn to this case a long time ago. Try as i might i always come down on the innocent side, theres the odd doubt and niggle but through what i have learnt over the years i can't say guilty for sure.I won't say anymore for now as im sure i havnt anything to add that hasnt been said umpteen times before.Great forum though,i have already learnt plenty from browsing, thanks for having me onboard.

Brilliant to see new members

[ngb1066]

First post, can i ask ,on this forum, what is roughly the divide of members between Jeremy Bamber being guilty or not guilty .I was drawn to this case a long time ago. Try as i might i always come down on the innocent side, theres the odd doubt and niggle but through what i have learnt over the years i can't say guilty for sure.I won't say anymore for now as im sure i havnt anything to add that hasnt been said umpteen times before.Great forum though,i have already learnt plenty from browsing, thanks for having me onboard.

I think the divide between guilty and not guilty here has varied over the years.  We have quite a few members who have posted a lot in the past but rarely if ever post now.  Overall I would say it is currently about a 50/50 split.

Welcome to the forum.

 

[Kaldin]

There could've been a second reason for removing the silencer and that is with the silencer fitted, it was very difficult or impossible for Sheila to reach the trigger and fire it at the trajectory of the entry wounds.

That would be the only reason for the silencer to be removed from the rifle. However, the only reason for Jeremy to put it in the cupboard was that he feared there would be blood on it. That's why I find it hard to believe that he did that without cleaning it and then let virtually anyone roam around the house wherever they liked.

[Kaldin]

On the issue of the trajectory of the shots. I mean how did JB carry out the murder of Sheila. Would he have had to kneel down in front of her and put the weapon up under her chin then shoot her...then as she was down, shoot her a second time.

Or did he order her to lie down. Would she have ran..maybe towards the children. Would she be calm enough just to obey his orders,She may well have been to petrified and did exactly as he ordered her to do.
It's a bit perplexing this aspect. Obviously he had to shoot her in a way that would be consistent with her turning the gun on herself. She wasn't knocked out first I don't think, so how was the first shot dispatched. The second shot and the placing of the bible and any note wouldn't be to difficult, just the first shot needs explaining.

I agree with that. Jeremy would have had to get the gun against her neck with no struggle.

[Adam]

That would be the only reason for the silencer to be removed from the rifle. However, the only reason for Jeremy to put it in the cupboard was that he feared there would be blood on it. That's why I find it hard to believe that he did that without cleaning it and then let virtually anyone roam around the house wherever they liked.

You need to make a decision on how Sheila's blood & the aga paint got onto and inside the silencer. David and Lookout have opinions they have stuck to.

David saying the relatives used Sheila's wet period blood in a bucket.

Lookout saying Sheila's blood fell onto/into the silencer mid massacre as Sheila tried to insert it onto the rifle. Not sure why Sheila would want to insert the silencer onto the rifle mid massacre.

Lookout has not given an explanation of how the aga paint got onto the silencer.

I've always believed Sheila's blood got onto the silencer from a contact and close range shot in an area with high blood flow. The paint during the kitchen fight.

[Kaldin]

You need to make a decision on how Sheila's blood & the aga paint got onto and inside the silencer. David and Lookout have opinions they have stuck to.

David saying the relatives used Sheila's wet period blood in a bucket.

Lookout saying Sheila's blood fell onto/into the silencer mid massacre as Sheila tried to insert it onto the rifle. Not sure why Sheila would want to insert the silencer onto the rifle mid massacre.

Lookout has not given an explanation of how the aga paint got onto the silencer.

I've always believed Sheila's blood got onto the silencer from a contact and close range shot in an area with high blood flow. The paint during the kitchen fight.

I don't need to make a decision because it has not been proved that Sheila's blood was in or on the silencer. As for the paint, that doesn't rule out Sheila does it?

[Adam]

I don't need to make a decision because it has not been proved that Sheila's blood was in or on the silencer. As for the paint, that doesn't rule out Sheila does it?

Well Lookout needs to explain the paint as she does not believe the silencer was fitted to the rifle.

You believe the silencer was on the rifle during Sheila's kitchen fight but it is a mixture of June's & Nevill's blood inside the silencer.

[Kaldin]

Well Lookout needs to explain the paint as she does not believe the silencer was fitted to the rifle.

You believe the silencer was on the rifle during Sheila's kitchen fight but it is a mixture of June's & Nevill's blood inside the silencer.

I think it's a possibility.

[Adam]

I think it's a possibility.

Do you believe Sheila put the silencer on. Then put it away?

[Kaldin]

Do you believe Sheila put the silencer on. Then put it away?

It's possible, but it's also possible that she put it on, took it off in the bedroom and someone else put it in the cupboard later.

[Adam]

It's possible, but it's also possible that she put it on, took it off in the bedroom and someone else put it in the cupboard later.

This theory has not been suggested before. It is good to get new possibilities.