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Offline David1819

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Re: PC Bird - description of gun cupboard
« Reply #225 on: January 21, 2020, 06:28:PM »
   I agree to an extent, David. However if Rivlin tied his own hands then EP poked his eyes out by hiding so much evidence. It made his defence all the more difficult with prosecution shenanigans.

Rivlin decided to tell the jury a narrative whereby Sheila was using the silencer and the blood inside was a mixture of June's and Nevils. He very much did tie his own hands.

A lot of information came out at trial from Vanezis and Fletcher that indirectly indicates the silencer was not on the gun at all. However Rivlin could not use any of this to his advantage whilst telling the jury that Shelia used the silencer.

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Re: PC Bird - description of gun cupboard
« Reply #226 on: January 21, 2020, 06:44:PM »
Rivlin decided to tell the jury a narrative whereby Sheila was using the silencer and the blood inside was a mixture of June's and Nevils. He very much did tie his own hands.

A lot of information came out at trial from Vanezis and Fletcher that indirectly indicates the silencer was not on the gun at all. However Rivlin could not use any of this to his advantage whilst telling the jury that Shelia used the silencer.
  I don't disagree with any of that, David. I just think that some mitigation is applicable given the shenanigans. As you say there was some information indicating the non use of the silencer. The mitigation is that not all of the relevant and significant information was available.
     

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Re: PC Bird - description of gun cupboard
« Reply #227 on: January 21, 2020, 07:06:PM »
sami I am so sorry did not know it was old news as I have only just come on line and saw gringo's post so thought it was a new post to me :)

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Re: PC Bird - description of gun cupboard
« Reply #228 on: January 21, 2020, 07:07:PM »
When creating a suicide, why would JB administer 2 shots ?

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Re: PC Bird - description of gun cupboard
« Reply #229 on: January 21, 2020, 07:08:PM »
sami I am so sorry did not know it was old news as I have only just come on line and saw gringo's post so thought it was a new post to me :)
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Re: PC Bird - description of gun cupboard
« Reply #230 on: January 21, 2020, 07:58:PM »
When creating a suicide, why would JB administer 2 shots ?

If I had a pound for every time this question had been asked and answered - wouldn't need to win the lottery.
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Re: PC Bird - description of gun cupboard
« Reply #231 on: January 21, 2020, 08:04:PM »
If I had a pound for every time this question had been asked and answered - wouldn't need to win the lottery.






Okay, answer it then.

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Re: PC Bird - description of gun cupboard
« Reply #232 on: January 21, 2020, 08:19:PM »





Okay, answer it then.

Because she didn't die after the first shot - he had no choice but to shoot again.
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Re: PC Bird - description of gun cupboard
« Reply #233 on: January 21, 2020, 08:22:PM »





Okay, answer it then.
he didnt have any choice as the first one was not enough to kill her. even though she may have died from blood loss he wasnt about to take that chance

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Re: PC Bird - description of gun cupboard
« Reply #234 on: January 21, 2020, 08:29:PM »
Because she didn't die after the first shot - he had no choice but to shoot again.






Not true.

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Re: PC Bird - description of gun cupboard
« Reply #235 on: January 21, 2020, 08:30:PM »
Few people have the imagination for reality

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Re: PC Bird - description of gun cupboard
« Reply #236 on: January 21, 2020, 08:32:PM »
Tis too!






Because it wasn't JB that shot her a second time.

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Re: PC Bird - description of gun cupboard
« Reply #237 on: January 21, 2020, 08:37:PM »





Because it wasn't JB that shot her a second time.

Oh, so he shot her the first time?  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: PC Bird - description of gun cupboard
« Reply #238 on: January 21, 2020, 08:43:PM »





Because it wasn't JB that shot her a second time.
dont tell me it was the police

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Re: PC Bird - description of gun cupboard
« Reply #239 on: January 21, 2020, 08:46:PM »
Oh, so he shot her the first time?  ;D ;D ;D ;D





Not even the first time, no. I can sense how disheartening it must be for you but being childish about it doesn't help your cause.