A question about the blood on the silencer

[Adam]

Im not really up with the silencer as much as others Jan, I think there was a lot of unnecessary confusion and I don’t get it, if it was a cover up they could easily have bypassed all that.  It was like cloak and dagger but in the open if that makes sense?

It is very straight forward with the silencer - 

The police did not find it. They were not looking for one as it was murder/suicide.

The relatives did find one. They were looking.

The silencer was passed to Stan Jones.

Stan Jones passed it to Huntington.

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Sheila received a contact & close range shot in a location with high blood flow. The aga was scratched during the kitchen fight.

But appreciate the CT will create lots of theories. The latest being two silencers.

[Jan]

So from the statements I can see

Anne says DB called her over to the table at oak farm exclaiming he had found something on the silencer

Db  says he noticed the blood and marks while at whf

David says anne called the police
Anne says David called the police

Never seen a log of the call

Interestingly in one statement they immediately seemed to think its human blood . They do not assume it’s animal blood which is a bit odd . And I think they query if it could be sheilas

The hair does not seem to be mentioned in the first statements .


There is a very long statement attributed to anne Eaton that is dated as 13/9/84. Obviously a typo. Which is not signed and seems to be made over several days at different houses .

It’s actually quite interesting revisiting the statements as I did not really think about the short amount of time they actually had the silencer . In my memory it was longer .  But there do not seem to be statements until about 4 weeks later which is a bit odd. If there was any blood on the silencer you think the statements of how it was found would be immediate .

Wonder when the silencer was logged.

[Jan]

It is very straight forward with the silencer - 

The police did not find it. They were not looking for one as it was murder/suicide.

The relatives did find one. They were looking.

The silencer was passed to Stan Jones.

Stan Jones passed it to Huntington.

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Sheila received a contact & close range shot in a location with high blood flow. The aga was scratched during the kitchen fight.

But appreciate the CT will create lots of theories. The latest being two silencers.

Collected 12th August

Why did the family assume human blood on a  rifle used for shooting vermin.

Where was it until the 30th August received at Huntingdon ?

[Jan]

Also interesting that Colin felt the family were very ignorant of sheilas illness but it helped him in the end because they did not have full knowledge so felt she was not capable of the murders .

It was not actually that simple it was more that they felt she could not have used the gun .

But it helped Colin because he did not query sheilas guilt in the beginning .

[Jan]

 Found one answer .  Quite surprised about the order of testing ? Surely testing the blood would be more important?


The moderator was taken by cook for finger printing 15th August .

[lookout]

And the result of the fingerprinting was---------------?

[Caroline]

Found one answer .  Quite surprised about the order of testing ? Surely testing the blood would be more important?


The moderator was taken by cook for finger printing 15th August .

Glynis Howard swabbed the sound moderator on 13th August - so before finger printing.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,461.msg6914.html#msg6914

[Jan]

Glynis Howard swabbed the sound moderator on 13th August - so before finger printing.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,461.msg6914.html#msg6914

Thank you caroline .

Just trying to get a timeline . So not languishing on a desk .

[Jan]

From Mike based on documents

According to the current explanation, David Boutflour found the sound moderator on the 10th August 1975, it was taken away and placed in storage at Ann and Peter Eaton's house until the evening of the 12th August 1985, when DS Jones collected it. On the following day (or so the story goes) Jones showed the moderator to PI 'Bob' Miller, who told Jones to give the moderator to Cook who was due to visit Huntingdon Lab' that same date! Cook took the sound moderator to the Lab' that date, and 'it' was provisionally examined by Glynis Howard that same date, and returned to Cook afterwards! Cook supposedly retained possession of 'it' by keeping it in his jacket pocket for the next 17 days (can you believe such bullshit?)! Cook fingerprinted 'it' by using the oblique light test system on the 15th August 1985, and by cyanoacrylate fumes (Superglue treatment) on the 23rd August 1985! Then, on the 29th August 1985, Cook took it upon himself to dismantle the sound moderator, removing it's baffle plates, without reporting a presence of any blood at all on any internal baffle plate on 'that' occasion! Cook rebuilds the silencer' and screws 'it' directly onto the external thread on the end of the anshuzt rifles barrel! On the following day (30th August 1985), the sound moderator gets sent to Huntingdon Lab' where it remains for 13 days until the prosecution's ballistic expert (Malcolm Fletcher) supposedly dismantled 'it' and discovered the all important blood flake belonging to Sheila Caffell! On that very same date, Fletcher hands the moderator and the flake of blood he maintains was found inside the moderator, over to blood expert, John Hayward, who proceeds to analyse the blood over the following 8 days!



So this misses the initial swabbing but the next bit seems to tie up .  So it was the second flake of blood that was found that hayward had to test ? The initial swab was to confirm human blood .

I think the entry on 11 th sept was the family calling to find out why they had not been told anything about the blood ?

[Jan]

Just for my records

Howard took swabs inside and outside , yet fletcher apparently found a lot of blood inside later .

[lookout]

How do you mean, later,Jan ?

[Caroline]

Just for my records

Howard took swabs inside and outside , yet fletcher apparently found a lot of blood inside later .

He did a more in depth analysis of it.

[Jan]

How do you mean, later,Jan ?

The silencer went to fletcher later and he found blood in the baffles .

That is the flake hayward tested .


What I am struggling to understand is why the police did not take statements immediately about the finding of the silencer . They were told allegedly that the family thought it was human blood . So where is any record of that finding until a month later . I am not saying it did not happen  but it all seems very shoddy .

[sami]

The silencer went to fletcher later and he found blood in the baffles .

That is the flake hayward tested .


What I am struggling to understand is why the police did not take statements immediately about the finding of the silencer . They were told allegedly that the family thought it was human blood . So where is any record of that finding until a month later . I am not saying it did not happen  but it all seems very shoddy .

theres lots of whys,ifs.buts in this case

[David1819]

So from the statements I can see

Anne says DB called her over to the table at oak farm exclaiming he had found something on the silencer

Db  says he noticed the blood and marks while at whf

David says anne called the police
Anne says David called the police

Never seen a log of the call

Interestingly in one statement they immediately seemed to think its human blood . They do not assume it’s animal blood which is a bit odd . And I think they query if it could be sheilas

The hair does not seem to be mentioned in the first statements .


There is a very long statement attributed to anne Eaton that is dated as 13/9/84. Obviously a typo. Which is not signed and seems to be made over several days at different houses .

It’s actually quite interesting revisiting the statements as I did not really think about the short amount of time they actually had the silencer . In my memory it was longer .  But there do not seem to be statements until about 4 weeks later which is a bit odd. If there was any blood on the silencer you think the statements of how it was found would be immediate .

Wonder when the silencer was logged.

Where does DB say he noticed blood at WHF?