Colin Finally Gets voice!

[Jane]

Anyone who has a genuine interest in this miscarriage of justice case will only be interested in finding out the truth about Jeremy Bamber and if this was a murder or a murder suicide.

 

The impartial people on this forum who are not friends or relations of the prosecution witnesses are horrified by the withholding of evidence for no good reason and in particular evidence regarding the chief prosecution witness Julie Mugford. Might I add still withheld.

 

The people who have been in contact with me over the years are horrified that a man could have been in prison for over 30 years on the evidence of a pathological liar who continued to lie  in the witness box. Julie Mugford actually told the court she was an honest person. Colin professes to take the word of Julie Mugford and her version of events without question or evidence.

 

If you go onto the internet the definition of  honesty it means more than not lying. A more complete definition of honesty shows that an honest person doesn't do things that are morally wrong. Honesty is a facet of moral character that connotes positive and virtuous attributes such as integrity, truthfulness, straightforwardness, including straightforwardness of conduct, along with the absence of lying, cheating, theft, etc

 

There was nothing honest about Julie Mugford

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If I had lost my two sons in the way that Colin had I would want answers and I would have done everything I could to find out what led to her death. Was it the doctors fault, was it the wrong medication, I would not stop until I got the right answers.  Did Colin look for answers? Or did he just decide to take Julie Mugfords word for what was said without a shred of evidence and why did he take her word for what happened?

You're the VERY last person to talk about honesty. There's more honesty that comes out of your horse's rear end than ever comes out of your mouth!!!!

[JackieD]

None of them bothered looking for answers Jackie, not even EP. They were all quite happy to blame the last man standing, which isn't always the case. It was all too easy for them all to blame Jeremy without a second though as they all had much to gain. It disgusts me !

So right Lookout, it disgusts me too

[guest7363]

You're the VERY last person to talk about honesty. There's more honesty that comes out of your horse's rear end than ever comes out of your mouth!!!!

I suppose some people are worse than the woman they are trying to persecute (Julie) but cannot see it.  It’s seems as though the records been stuck on the same tune for some while, I suppose having a crush and sending stamps and money makes them think they have the right to play it over and over over and over again. 

[guest7363]

I suppose some people are worse than the woman they are trying to persecute (Julie) but cannot see it.  It’s seems as though the records been stuck on the same tune for some while, I suppose having a crush and sending stamps and money makes them think they have the right to play it over and over over and over again.

Poor Colin doesn’t deserve any of this abuse, just because he never stuck up for Bamber doesn’t warrant this.

[Jane]

I suppose some people are worse than the woman they are trying to persecute (Julie) but cannot see it.  It’s seems as though the records been stuck on the same tune for some while, I suppose having a crush and sending stamps and money makes them think they have the right to play it over and over over and over again.

Yes, RJ. Sitting up there, smugly pontificating, about Julie's alleged dishonesty, from a self appointed pedestal, having made wild accusations about what someone did when they were 20, as if she's never, once put a foot wrong.

[Jane]

Poor Colin doesn’t deserve any of this abuse, just because he never stuck up for Bamber doesn’t warrant this.

Mmm. Persuading -conning- Colin into believing that the mother of his children was capable of murdering them was spiteful and wicked almost beyond belief. Colin must have been sickened by this from someone he may have thought of as a friend.

[lookout]

And what were Colin's first words to the police officer who knocked that morning ??

BTW, not once has he mentioned " Jeremy killed/shot or murdered my sons " ? #

[lookout]

I would have been annoyed and confused at Colin too because after the tragedy, Colin was friendly and sympathetic toward Jeremy, and as soon as he,Colin, joined the other lot and before Jeremy was even charged, the poison started to set in.

There's a part in Colin's book where he mentions the attitude of the relatives and also that he thought SJones a bully. Then there was the " mistaken phone-call from DB " who thought he was speaking to someone else other than Colin.

[Jane]

And what were Colin's first words to the police officer who knocked that morning ??

BTW, not once has he mentioned " Jeremy killed/shot or murdered my sons " ? #

But they hadn't told him, then, that the children were dead. I imagine, from that moment he learned it, he didn't believe Sheila was responsible. It's not possible to know what he said, more than the little he's reported as saying, but I'm guessing that, at some point, it became very clear to him, Jeremy was.

[Jane]

I would have been annoyed and confused at Colin too because after the tragedy, Colin was friendly and sympathetic toward Jeremy, and as soon as he,Colin, joined the other lot and before Jeremy was even charged, the poison started to set in.

There's a part in Colin's book where he mentions the attitude of the relatives and also that he thought SJones a bully. Then there was the " mistaken phone-call from DB " who thought he was speaking to someone else other than Colin.

I'd be more inclined to say that the wool became lifted from his eyes. It's interesting that you say "Colin was friendly and sympathetic toward Jeremy"! I'd have said it would have been FAR more appropriate for Jeremy to have been friendly and sympathetic toward Colin.

Whilst he was still holding the belief that Sheila was responsible, the attitude of the relatives would have looked rather different from how it looked once he started to suspect Jeremy. He'd have understood, then, where they were coming from.

[guest7363]

And what were Colin's first words to the police officer who knocked that morning ??

BTW, not once has he mentioned " Jeremy killed/shot or murdered my sons " ? #

What do you think he’s doing then, bluffing everyone and convincing himself that Bamber is guilty and deep down he knows it was Sheila, FOR WHAT? He tells you himself he didn’t know the full facts and he was convinced Sheila couldn’t have done it, how was he to know when even Taff was fooled.  It’s absolutely ridiculous.

[Jane]

What do you think he’s doing then, bluffing everyone and convincing himself that Bamber is guilty and deep down he knows it was Sheila, FOR WHAT? He tells you himself he didn’t know the full facts and he was convinced Sheila couldn’t have done it, how was he to know when even Taff was fooled.  It’s absolutely ridiculous.

And isn't it absolutely sickening to see him being castigated for not continuing to support Jeremy. It's almost as if their saying that if he'd have stuck to Jeremy's script, ie blamed Sheila, Jeremy would be a free man!!!!

[Caroline]

And what were Colin's first words to the police officer who knocked that morning ??

BTW, not once has he mentioned " Jeremy killed/shot or murdered my sons " ? #

Why would those be his first words? They weren't the cops first words either!

[Caroline]

Jeremy thought the twins were a millstone around Colin's neck - he said so at the party. Who say's that? 

[Jane]

Jeremy thought the twins were a millstone around Colin's neck - he said so at the party. Who say's that? 

I suppose it means that his rationale was that he was doing Colin a favour?