The Truth and the Documentary

[ILB]

On what?

Bambers innocence or guilt

[Steve_uk]

DS Jones whether you believe Jeremy was innocent was a old school working class dectective wasn't he? From the council estates. And he's faced with a posh country boy farmer , they are not exactly going to bond and play dominoes are they???

It didn't matter what DS Jones thought at that stage. DCI Taff Jones headed the inquiry and his view was that the whole matter was "a domestic". It was only when Julie came forward that his suspicion arising from a possible chuckle emanating from Bamber's mouth that first morning was confirmed.

[Steve_uk]

Bambers innocence or guilt

So you haven't read any of David's posts either. Just what research is your opinion based on ilovebooze? Maybe that you witnessed Jeremy walking stylishly and poised down the metal staircase at Long Larton?

[Jane]

the law in the county is well established. The prosecution brings the case forward (cps these days) can't account for 1985 I believe it was the director of public prosecutions. The onus is on the prosecution to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. Bamber was convicted of a 10 to 2 majority. Look at it logically, and il take it in stages he was convicted on blood found in a silencer ( sound moderator totally useless in stifling noises for humans ) and the word of an ex girlfriend who had been jilted by him. We are still discussing said silencer ( sound moderator used for game) in 2019. What's compelling for you against Jeremy ?

Local papers were compelling with their stories about "the beautiful top model, recently out of a psych hospital" who appeared to have killed her children, her parents, before turning the gun on herself. A very few days later, it was announced that a silencer had been found in a cupboard. Well, it stands to reason that she couldn't have shot herself and then hidden the silencer. From memory, what happened after that was all a bit of a pantomime. Papers FULL of it. I recall not liking Julie -which MAY have contributed to my belief in Jeremy's innocence- and I fully expected him to get off. It was a shock when he didn't. Whilst I'm now appalled at what Julie did subsequently, back then, like everyone else, I was glued to NOTW.

I wasn't entirely certain what I believed when I joined this forum but I was swayed by the enthusiasm of supports and became equally enthusiastic. We were, at the time, being fed a diet of lies and rubbish. His release was SO imminent -allegedly- that I'd wasted my time joining. There was always some new "Evidence exists..........." which we all eagerly sucked up. Terrible,TERRIBLE lies about Sheila and other incidents, fake pictures, stories of obscenities performed on the bodies -well, Sheila's- by police. Then there was that alleged phone call and his actions afterwards. Yes, I went along with it, but it nagged because it never felt quite right. Once that doubt took hold, I started to question everything. I didn't actually want it to have been Jeremy. I'd have found it easier to understand why Sheila did it. Now, I believe, emphatically, that she didn't.

[Steve_uk]

Local papers were compelling with their stories about "the beautiful top model, recently out of a psych hospital" who appeared to have killed her children, her parents, before turning the gun on herself. A very few days later, it was announced that a silencer had been found in a cupboard. Well, it stands to reason that she couldn't have shot herself and then hidden the silencer. From memory, what happened after that was all a bit of a pantomime. Papers FULL of it. I recall not liking Julie -which MAY have contributed to my belief in Jeremy's innocence- and I fully expected him to get off. It was a shock when he didn't. Whilst I'm now appalled at what Julie did subsequently, back then, like everyone else, I was glued to NOTW.

I wasn't entirely certain what I believed when I joined this forum but I was swayed by the enthusiasm of supports and became equally enthusiastic. We were, at the time, being fed a diet of lies and rubbish. His release was SO imminent -allegedly- that I'd wasted my time joining. There was always some new "Evidence exists..........." which we all eagerly sucked up. Terrible,TERRIBLE lies about Sheila and other incidents, fake pictures, stories of obscenities performed on the bodies -well, Sheila's- by police. Then there was that alleged phone call and his actions afterwards. Yes, I went along with it, but it nagged because it never felt quite right. Once that doubt took hold, I started to question everything. I didn't actually want it to have been Jeremy. I'd have found it easier to understand why Sheila did it. Now, I believe, emphatically, that she didn't.

Absolutely Jane. If the twins had to be slaughtered then let it be out of love, not hate.

[Jane]

She only believes Jeremy is guilty because Caroline does. But will never admit it. Thus there is no point asking Jane these questions. You will never get a straight answer.

This is common knowledge among longtime members here.

I've reported you for this insulting post

[ILB]

So you haven't read any of David's posts either. Just what research is your opinion based on ilovebooze? Maybe that you witnessed Jeremy walking stylishly and poised down the metal staircase at Long Larton?

it's long lartin, and I believe David thinks Jeremy is Innocent I just was wanting him to elaborate . And whats my time inside with Jeremy got to do with the price of fish?

[ILB]

Local papers were compelling with their stories about "the beautiful top model, recently out of a psych hospital" who appeared to have killed her children, her parents, before turning the gun on herself. A very few days later, it was announced that a silencer had been found in a cupboard. Well, it stands to reason that she couldn't have shot herself and then hidden the silencer. From memory, what happened after that was all a bit of a pantomime. Papers FULL of it. I recall not liking Julie -which MAY have contributed to my belief in Jeremy's innocence- and I fully expected him to get off. It was a shock when he didn't. Whilst I'm now appalled at what Julie did subsequently, back then, like everyone else, I was glued to NOTW.

I wasn't entirely certain what I believed when I joined this forum but I was swayed by the enthusiasm of supports and became equally enthusiastic. We were, at the time, being fed a diet of lies and rubbish. His release was SO imminent -allegedly- that I'd wasted my time joining. There was always some new "Evidence exists..........." which we all eagerly sucked up. Terrible,TERRIBLE lies about Sheila and other incidents, fake pictures, stories of obscenities performed on the bodies -well, Sheila's- by police. Then there was that alleged phone call and his actions afterwards. Yes, I went along with it, but it nagged because it never felt quite right. Once that doubt took hold, I started to question everything. I didn't actually want it to have been Jeremy. I'd have found it easier to understand why Sheila did it. Now, I believe, emphatically, that she didn't.

Jane let me ask you a question, do you think the phrase " my release is imminent" was from the legal representation of Jeremy Bamber or Bamber himself ?

[Jane]

Are you a longtime member David? It's certainly not common knowledge as far as I'm concerned.

David has omitted to tell you, that when he joined, he was as ardent a guilter as the most ardent of supporters. Without saying why, he used another person's research without asking their permission, tweaked it a bit to make it look like his own work, hailed it as "A Scientific Breakthrough" and very quietly sneaked in as a supporter. He's never said why, but it appeared to be opportunistic.

[Steve_uk]

it's long lartin, and I believe David thinks Jeremy is Innocent I just was wanting him to elaborate . And whats my time inside with Jeremy got to do with the price of fish?

You like picking other people's brains, don't you? Had you introduced yourself in the foyer as is customary we would know a little more about what first drew you to this case.

[lookout]

Does having a mental illness excuse murder ?

[ILB]

You like picking other people's brains, don't you? Had you introduced yourself in the foyer as is customary we would know a little more about what first drew you to this case.

I met Jeremy Bamber in prison.......

[Jane]

Jane let me ask you a question, do you think the phrase " my release is imminent" was from the legal representation of Jeremy Bamber or Bamber himself ?

How can I possibly answer that? He's changed teams numerous times. I imagine they will all be very positive about a hopeful outcome and if he's feeling positive..................it's been said on several occasions over the years.

[JackieD]

..or maybe the trauma she had undergone in this country drove her on to put something back into the community of which she became part overseas.

Trauma, your joking, she was put up in a posh hotel, changed into her new underwear and was grinning from ear to ear.  I would love to have an opinion from a body language expert on what stage of trauma she was in?

As you are an expert on Julie could you remind me of the pillow smothering episode ?

[Steve_uk]

Does having a mental illness excuse murder ?

No, but it might make it manslaughter or even not culpable altogether re: M'Naghten rules.