The Truth and the Documentary

[ILB]

You never know: Bamber might confess.

never. Not in a million years

[ILB]

It has seemed to me that most -not all- supporters are more interested in facts.

well with respect Jane it comes down to whether people feel he killed his family or his sister did.

[lookout]

Why confess to something that you didn't do ?

[David1819]

You never know: Bamber might confess.

So Bamber never confessed to Julie? What a Freudian slip.

[Jane]

Well you do surprise me because you always mention them as if you knew them. Hypocrisy ? Intrusion ?
I don't think so. Look at the mess it was in before it was kindly tended by someone from the CT team who probably didn't know them personally either.
Nobody thought about it before then, not even their nearest and dearest who live at WHF and surrounding area ! Now that's hypocrisy !
Why did it take a team of strangers to remove the overgrowth and spare some dignity toward the deceased ?

Now how do I NOT see that as a spiteful and WHOLLY unnecessary jibe? At best it's sarcasm. Please feel free to find a post of mine in which I've ever said that they were personal friends. I have only ever said that they were closer friends of my friends.

It IS nearly 35 years since their deaths. Councils can no longer afford to employ people to keep grave yards tidy. I don't suppose the graves are visited more often than their birthdays, Christmas, and more sadly, the day of their deaths. I'm afraid that's life. It goes on relentlessly. Her sister must be well into her nineties, Ann into her seventies and still working to help daughter, Janie, with the businesses.

As for the CT doing their bit, I'm guessing, as they didn't know them, the idea must have come from Jeremy. I VERY much doubt they'd do it of their own volition, OR that they do it on a weekly basis. I will agree that it's more dignified than Trudy standing over the graves reading a poem.

[ILB]

So Bamber never confessed to Julie? What a Freudian slip.

let's get all juvenile for the moment David is this the same traumatised Julie who armed with the knowledge of what Bamber had supposably told her went to Amsterdam with him and enjoyed chinese banquets with?...

[Steve_uk]

well with respect Jane it comes down to whether people feel he killed his family or his sister did.

Do you know enough about Sheila Caffell to be comfortable with the latter scenario?

[Steve_uk]

So Bamber never confessed to Julie? What a Freudian slip.

Well I meant in a controlled environment, which would satisfy even the most sceptical amongst us David.

[Jane]

well with respect Jane it comes down to whether people feel he killed his family or his sister did.

I can see reasons for both. However, on a balance of probabilities, my money is on Jeremy. Just out of interest, you've posed numerous questions but I don't recall you ever saying why it is that you believe Jeremy is innocent.

[ILB]

I can see reasons for both. However, on a balance of probabilities, my money is on Jeremy. Just out of interest, you've posed numerous questions but I don't recall you ever saying why it is that you believe Jeremy is innocent.

the law in the county is well established. The prosecution brings the case forward (cps these days) can't account for 1985 I believe it was the director of public prosecutions. The onus is on the prosecution to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. Bamber was convicted of a 10 to 2 majority. Look at it logically, and il take it in stages he was convicted on blood found in a silencer ( sound moderator totally useless in stifling noises for humans ) and the word of an ex girlfriend who had been jilted by him. We are still discussing said silencer ( sound moderator used for game) in 2019. What's compelling for you against Jeremy ?

[ILB]

I never quote journos, but one line has stood out for me. I believe it was Eric allison. The guardian prisoners correspondent. " Bamber was handsome but in a cruel and caddish way he seemed to glow in arragance " nobody wanted to believe the diminutive, innocent seeming, beautiful  caffell was responsible" . We do need to remember that this is a 34 year old conviction . It's conservative thatcher britain, and here we have this young man beaming in smiles at succsessive remand hearings ( Jeremy has commented in years gone by he was smiling at his friends coming to watch him in court) but I believe this display of behaviour went against him. I ultimately believe arragance, not evidence did him 34 years ago at Chelmsford

[Steve_uk]

the law in the county is well established. The prosecution brings the case forward (cps these days) can't account for 1985 I believe it was the director of public prosecutions. The onus is on the prosecution to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. Bamber was convicted of a 10 to 2 majority. Look at it logically, and il take it in stages he was convicted on blood found in a silencer ( sound moderator totally useless in stifling noises for humans ) and the word of an ex girlfriend who had been jilted by him. We are still discussing said silencer ( sound moderator used for game) in 2019. What's compelling for you against Jeremy ?

That he had no emotional connection whatsoever with any of the five victims, that he told student James Richards "I f***ing hate my parents", that he told Michael Deckers that if the farm burned down at Christmas 1984 he would inherit everything, which tallied with Julie's statement, that Sheila was in no fit state physically to accomplish what has been ascribed to her, that Jeremy loathed farming and wanted to start afresh..

[David1819]

the law in the county is well established. The prosecution brings the case forward (cps these days) can't account for 1985 I believe it was the director of public prosecutions. The onus is on the prosecution to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. Bamber was convicted of a 10 to 2 majority. Look at it logically, and il take it in stages he was convicted on blood found in a silencer ( sound moderator totally useless in stifling noises for humans ) and the word of an ex girlfriend who had been jilted by him. We are still discussing said silencer ( sound moderator used for game) in 2019. What's compelling for you against Jeremy ?

She only believes Jeremy is guilty because Caroline does. But will never admit it. Thus there is no point asking Jane these questions. You will never get a straight answer.

This is common knowledge among longtime members here.

[ILB]

That he had no emotional connection whatsoever with any of the five victims, that he told student James Richards "I f***ing hate my parents", that he told Michael Deckers that if the farm burned down at Christmas 1984 he would inherit everything, which tallied with Julie's statement, that Sheila was in no fit state physically to accomplish what has been ascribed to her, that Jeremy loathed farming and wanted to start afresh..

but as yourself said Steve, throwaway remarks do occur. You can't tailor it to any said situation. I play golf with my father but I have lost count over the life the amount or times I have said " I fucking hate him" all that remark Bamber made to Richards is a throwaway that the prosecution could use as ammo at chelmsford. You can say things that are throwaway and then they can be interpreted as sinister
 It has been happening since Adam and Eve ....

[Steve_uk]

That he had no emotional connection whatsoever with any of the five victims, that he told student James Richards "I f***ing hate my parents", that he told Michael Deckers that if the farm burned down at Christmas 1984 he would inherit everything, which tallied with Julie's statement, that Sheila was in no fit state physically to accomplish what has been ascribed to her, that Jeremy loathed farming and wanted to start afresh..

..that he blamed June for dropping him on the head as a baby, which may have exacerbated his condition and in any case precluded him from a career as a deep sea diver in New Zealand, that she broke up his relationship with Suzette and threatened disinheritance, the stress of which may have led to her miscarriages, that he blamed Nevill for sending him away to school for eight years, where he struggled to compete with the other boys, that his parents in his view favoritized Sheila over himself by buying her a London flat and paying for her medical bills, that in the near future they were planning to send the twins to private school with a further drain on his inheritance, that he told Len Foakes "if anything happened" he would just pack up and leave..