The Truth and the Documentary

[Caroline]

Good luck with that if you get a straight answer 

You were complaining yesterday about people being nasty, you know what, you're as bad (and often WORSE) than others. But while we're on about straight answers, what did you ask Jeremy and what were his replies?

[Caroline]

what made you change your mind?

I can answer that but it would just lead to arguments, I haven't even answered yet and Lookout has loaded her blunderbuss!

[lookout]

What would be the point in writng to his solicitor? You honestly think he's going to share information? That's silly! Also, when you said you you were writing to Jeremy, you said you never ask him about the case. 

 

I didn't as such, he volunteered information after I'd began my first letter otherwise how do you begin and what do you write ? Other than that, I told him I didn't like discussing things of that nature to someone who'd been wrongfully accused. He'd said he'd be out one day.
He spoke about how he enjoyed Australia/New Zealand and the farming aspect etc and that I had a daughter in Oz.
I'd written about 6 pages anyway.

[lookout]

You were complaining yesterday about people being nasty, you know what, you're as bad (and often WORSE) than others. But while we're on about straight answers, what did you ask Jeremy and what were his replies?

My letters have got nothing whatsoever to do with the question that was asked .

[lookout]

I can answer that but it would just lead to arguments, I haven't even answered yet and Lookout has loaded her blunderbuss!

Excuses excuses, go on, blame me.

[Caroline]

My letters have got nothing whatsoever to do with the question that was asked .

The question that was asked, wasn't asked to you but you have contradicted yourself.

In the beginning, I asked questions and told him I was going to compare his answers with certain information which was available at the time. It hadn't appeared to me that he'd lied or avoided/evaded anything------must have been my different approach !

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I'm not really interested either way, but you should try taking your own advice about nastiness - I kept out of the arguments last night and I'm not having you try to draw me in. If I choose to answer the above question, that's my buiness - just as 'your letters' are yours. I seriously just can't be arsed!

[Caroline]

Excuses excuses, go on, blame me.

No excuses and no contradictions either - move on Lookout, there is nothing to see here!

[Steve_uk]

or just a man who does disproves your wild bullshit theories....

I wouldn't mind if you had something intelligent to say, but these nuggets are few and far between if they exist at all. I'm not quite sure why I dislike you so much: others have made much the same personal comments (ngb1066 once said I didn't know one end of a silencer from the other) over the period of 7 years I've been a member here. It's not because of your pro-Jeremy stance: other posters such as Mike, lookout and David are of the same persuasion and I seem to relate amicably enough to them.

Maybe it's the "I know more than you" remark which seems to be pervasive in modern society today. We had it with Tony Blair during the Iraq war with the dodgy dossier during which 1 million people lost their lives. Let me tell you now ilovebooze: I do not expect an ex-con who has probably not studied the case for very long (your attempt at picking my brains was a dismal failure which is why you changed tack with personal invective) to know more than someone who has studied the case for seven years.

[lookout]

 

I didn't as such, he volunteered information after I'd began my first letter otherwise how do you begin and what do you write ? Other than that, I told him I didn't like discussing things of that nature to someone who'd been wrongfully accused. He'd said he'd be out one day.
He spoke about how he enjoyed Australia/New Zealand and the farming aspect etc and that I had a daughter in Oz.
I'd written about 6 pages anyway.

I can't blame anyone for not divulging anything especially JB when he doesn't know who the devil is writing to him. No matter how many times you tell someone that you're genuine/harmless and all the rest of it, how is he supposed to know ?? Give him some slack !

[lookout]

He's certainly not going to trust anyone like he used to do, silly man.

[Steve_uk]

I'm puzzled by his claim that their relationship had been cooling. It seems to me that he went out of his way to see Julie. She was in London and he was in Essex. Why keep making the effort to see her if the relationship had been cooling?

If Julie is telling the truth, I think that Jeremy realised that she wasn't the "kindred spirit" he thought she was. If he's telling the truth, perhaps being released from the financial dependency on his parents made him go off her a bit as the world was now his oyster, so to speak. Either way, I don't think he had been going off her for a while.

It was evident to Jeremy post-murders that Julie was a growing problem. He must have had some residual affection for her or he would have blasted her head off too. He thought he could buy her off with the offer of a wine bar in an affluent area of London. The confession, if one can call it that, came at Blazer's restaurant, Blackheath one evening, where he looked into her eyes and told her: "Maybe there is something wrong with me..don't blame yourself, I would have gone ahead with it anyway. I have entrusted my life in your hands.."

I wonder if this scene will be depicted in the forthcoming television drama?

[Steve_uk]

By the way, is there actual evidence of this letter that Jeremy sent to Colin?

It's in Colin's book so please have a modicum of respect that it is genuine.

[Steve_uk]

Once again, why would Colin ever get involved in helping put together a documentary/drama

There is not a single reason??

Why would you want to highlight your bad behaviour in the marriage. Sheila was broken and he left her. He knew Sheila was capable of killing herself but he wasn’t there for her. She was the mother of his two gorgeous babies so he should have been in constant contact with Sheila.

If Jeremy is innocent you can understand every word in the letter he wrote to Colin

Relationships do break up for many reasons. Maybe both were immature for their years. It's not really for us to judge who was the guilty party. Maybe when Colin realized that it was the illness of schizophrenia that was making Sheila act in a certain way he could empathize more and took control of the boys, not out of any selfish reason to deprive his ex-wife of their company but simply to ensure that they experienced as normal a life as possible as young boys should.

[lookout]

What about the bit where Colin referred to June when he'd said he'd have done it himself ( killed June )  ?It's in his book as he speaks about her behaviour toward the twins making them pray at every given opportunity.

[lookout]

I bet that'll be omitted !