The Truth and the Documentary

[Caroline]

I'm asking you to get in touch with those in a legal capacity and ask them in your own words why are they wasting their time and energy.
I'm sick of whingers who won't/don't get to the source of their grievances. If I was in the shoes of the guilters I'd have been in touch with them ages ago rather than keep crowing on about the same damn thing as well as sniping at others to cause bad feeling if they happen to support someone who allegedly killed the family along with two children.

Really Lookout? Well, I've written to Jeremy to get answers from the horses mouth (so to speak), I have also contacted the CT on a few occasions only to receive a letter back from Jeremy stating that questions should be directed to him. What have you asked him?

[Caroline]

I've watched new members coming along with everyone  saying their" hail fellow well met ", until they appear to support JB then they don't stay for long ! I wonder why ? It must feel like entering the lions den.

It was the same when I joined, I had some grief from the guilty side, some more than others. However, it was worse when I changed my mind about him being innocent. There is hostility from both sides.

[David1819]

It's a shame Stephanie went off on a tangent about her unfortunate experience and left us. Once the wheat and the chaff were separated she made a lot of sense.

She didn’t leave, she was permanently banned.

[David1819]

Makes you wonder why the USA want to ban them then doesn’t it, or is it for another reason?

The type of silencers that are available in the US are not available here and never have been.

[Kaldin]

no completely wrong Steve, I'm sure that in the early stages in his imprisonment and conviction Jeremy was absolutely raging and bitter towards Julie. But to be honest in the actual sense of the thing where utlimately would that bitterness get him. Reference winning an appeal. It's not enough to amount a challenge against conviction about someone who is lying because she was believed back in 86. The jury believed Julie. What is the point of Jeremy trying to undermine her

We don't know that the jury believed Julie, they might have convicted Jeremy on the grounds of the silencer evidence. At least two members of the jury didn't believe her or think that the silencer evidence was sound. I'd love to know what they thought.

[Kaldin]

What nonsense. He telephoned Julie three times within the space of several hours August 6/7 1985 and yet claimed under police interrogation a month later that their relationship had been cooling for months. He told Michael Deckers during the Christmas season 1984 that if the Farm burned down then everything would be his, which tallies directly with Julie's statement. The plan to effectively use police as an alibi was dependent on him concocting an excuse to be at the Farm in the wee hours of August 7, hence the massive mistake of the invented telephone call from his father. The silencer was the icing on the cake if you'll pardon the expression.

I'm puzzled by his claim that their relationship had been cooling. It seems to me that he went out of his way to see Julie. She was in London and he was in Essex. Why keep making the effort to see her if the relationship had been cooling?

If Julie is telling the truth, I think that Jeremy realised that she wasn't the "kindred spirit" he thought she was. If he's telling the truth, perhaps being released from the financial dependency on his parents made him go off her a bit as the world was now his oyster, so to speak. Either way, I don't think he had been going off her for a while.

[Kaldin]

By the way, is there actual evidence of this letter that Jeremy sent to Colin?

[guest7363]

The type of silencers that are available in the US are not available here and never have been.

Ours must be better then, they jailed a man in the USA for smuggling 6 silencers over he purchased in Sheffield?

[Jane]

I've watched new members coming along with everyone  saying their" hail fellow well met ", until they appear to support JB then they don't stay for long ! I wonder why ? It must feel like entering the lions den.

Ha! Within DAYS of joining, I was threatened with the police, I was threatened with having my qualifications revoked and at the time I was on the same side as that person.

[JackieD]

Steve you can post on this forum for the next 50 years but there is no excuse for the behaviour of Julie Mugford

I hope this Docu/Drama lets the whole world know about this disgusting women

It makes no difference either way if Jeremy is guilty or innocent the photo from the news of the world says it all. I would love it if that photo broke the internet

She made lots of money out of the murders and then gloated about it

She signed a deal with the News of the world before the trial (although everyone did there best to cover it up)instead of leaving the court room quietly

She had to convince a jury that Jeremy was guilty or no blood money

What a bloody actress going from being so distressed she couldn’t be cross examined to smiling in her underwear


In her wildest dreams she couldn’t have thought her part in the murders would be shown world wide

I hope that £25,000 will feel worth it over the next few months

If the new drama points to Jeremy being guilty you can bet it will be followed by one showing a miscarriage of justice

[lookout]

Really Lookout? Well, I've written to Jeremy to get answers from the horses mouth (so to speak), I have also contacted the CT on a few occasions only to receive a letter back from Jeremy stating that questions should be directed to him. What have you asked him?

Yes,I've written to Jeremy and I'll also be sending him his usual Christmas card etc. tomorrow, but I wasn't talking about contacting Jeremy, I asked about getting in touch with Mark Newby who has all the answers and is also in a better legal position than any of us, wouldn't you agree ?

In the beginning, I asked questions and told him I was going to compare his answers with certain information which was available at the time. It hadn't appeared to me that he'd lied or avoided/evaded anything------must have been my different approach !

[lookout]

Steve you can post on this forum for the next 50 years but there is no excuse for the behaviour of Julie Mugford

I hope this Docu/Drama lets the whole world know about this disgusting women

It makes no difference either way if Jeremy is guilty or innocent the photo from the news of the world says it all. I would love it if that photo broke the internet

She made lots of money out of the murders and then gloated about it

She signed a deal with the News of the world before the trial (although everyone did there best to cover it up)instead of leaving the court room quietly

She had to convince a jury that Jeremy was guilty or no blood money

What a bloody actress going from being so distressed she couldn’t be cross examined to smiling in her underwear


In her wildest dreams she couldn’t have thought her part in the murders would be shown world wide

I hope that £25,000 will feel worth it over the next few months

If the new drama points to Jeremy being guilty you can bet it will be followed by one showing a miscarriage of justice

I'm wondering if this drama does get it wrong in parts and Jeremy walks free. I wonder if there'd be a case for misrepresentation ?

[ILB]

It was the same when I joined, I had some grief from the guilty side, some more than others. However, it was worse when I changed my mind about him being innocent. There is hostility from both sides.

what made you change your mind?

[lookout]

what made you change your mind?

Good luck with that if you get a straight answer 

[Caroline]

Yes,I've written to Jeremy and I'll also be sending him his usual Christmas card etc. tomorrow, but I wasn't talking about contacting Jeremy, I asked about getting in touch with Mark Newby who has all the answers and is also in a better legal position than any of us, wouldn't you agree ?

In the beginning, I asked questions and told him I was going to compare his answers with certain information which was available at the time. It hadn't appeared to me that he'd lied or avoided/evaded anything------must have been my different approach !

What would be the point in writng to his solicitor? You honestly think he's going to share information? That's silly! Also, when you said you you were writing to Jeremy, you said you never ask him about the case.