The Truth and the Documentary

[ILB]

The silencer evidence would be enough anyway.

in theory.

[Steve_uk]

if you look at things from a whole Jane. And I know you said " we didn't know how Julie's mind worked" I do find it hard to this day why she kept quiet for so long. We are not talking about someone who has slept with another woman here, we are not talking about a man who has confessed about a pronzi fraud scheme. By her own account Jeremy Bamber had confessed, told her what he had done. By her own account he was actively bragging and relishing to her what he had done. People can have their own opinions but in mine it is highly suspect that Julie didn't come forward straight away. We are talking five murders here, including two little boys

Not strictly true. He introduced a proxy in an attempt to emolliate the impact of the story.

[ILB]

I think justice drake was impartial In the fact of the remark " on the silencer evidence alone you can find Bamber gulity.

[ILB]

Not strictly true. He introduced a proxy in an attempt to emolliate the impact of the story.

by proxy you are referring to macdonald?

[Kaldin]

But then you're into police withholding knowledge of a call when there was no need, because it tallied with their boss' view that the whole episode was a domestic and Sheila was responsible.

Yes, I agree. The issue of the alleged call to the police from Nevill stems from the discrepancy in the time recorded by PC West, and another rather vague police log saying that West was still on the phone to Jeremy at about 3.37.

[Kaldin]

in theory.

More than in theory. At the trial it seemed almost certain that Sheila's blood was in the silencer. It might not be so clear now, but it was back then.

[Steve_uk]

by proxy you are referring to macdonald?

No Betty Howie-who do you think..

[ILB]

More than in theory. At the trial it seemed almost certain that Sheila's blood was in the silencer. It might not be so clear now, but it was back then.

that's exactly my point kaldin. We are looking at a 33 year old conviction my friend.

[Jane]

if you look at things from a whole Jane. And I know you said " we didn't know how Julie's mind worked" I do find it hard to this day why she kept quiet for so long. We are not talking about someone who has slept with another woman here, we are not talking about a man who has confessed about a pronzi fraud scheme. By her own account Jeremy Bamber had confessed, told her what he had done. By her own account he was actively bragging and relishing to her what he had done. People can have their own opinions but in mine it is highly suspect that Julie didn't come forward straight away. We are talking five murders here, including two little boys

Actually, I look at the whole much more closely than you think, AND I listen. I hear anger and frustration. I see grown people stamping their feet like children and declaring that it isn't fair. You're probably right, in part. Life has a habit of not being fair -ask all the people who voted to leave Europe just to find themselves, if they vote the wrong way, remaining. You seem to have had some experience of courtrooms and prison -did you say what you were in for, or do you claim innocence?- I'd be interested to learn what you think SHOULD have been done, re Julie, and what, if anything, you think should happen now.

[ILB]

No Betty Howie-who do you think..

ok Poirot, then how does the diminish the cupalbility of Bamber In any shape or form?? In the eyes of miss mugford? And of course, the law and moral compass..

[ILB]

Actually, I look at the whole much more closely than you think, AND I listen. I hear anger and frustration. I see grown people stamping their feet like children and declaring that it isn't fair. You're probably right, in part. Life has a habit of not being fair -ask all the people who voted to leave Europe just to find themselves, if they vote the wrong way, remaining. You seem to have had some experience of courtrooms and prison -did you say what you were in for, or do you claim innocence?- I'd be interested to learn what you think SHOULD have been done, re Julie, and what, if anything, you think should happen now.

all I want is for Jeremy nevill Bamber to have a retrial ....

[Steve_uk]

ok Poirot, then how does the diminish the cupalbility of Bamber In any shape or form?? In the eyes of miss mugford? And of course, the law and moral compass..

It doesn't diminish it, but it makes a case for Julie to be led along for a time on the back of Bamber's lies.

[Jane]

all I want is for Jeremy nevill Bamber to have a retrial ....

But you're not saying you think he's innocent.

[Kaldin]

that's exactly my point kaldin. We are looking at a 33 year old conviction my friend.

Agreed, but if it wasn't Sheila's blood in the silencer, it still leaves the problem of why she would shoot the others with the silencer on, and then put it back in the cupboard rather than just take it off and leave it on the floor nearby.

[ILB]

But you're not saying you think he's innocent.

how can any of us conclusively know? Only Bamber himself knows.